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Should Convicted J6ers Be Prevented from V****g?
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Jan 15, 2024 15:54:33   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
And how about other released felons?

You know, the people that have already paid their debt to society.

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Jan 15, 2024 18:07:44   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
And how about other released felons?

You know, the people that have already paid their debt to society.


After they have fulfilled all obligations of their convictions, to include probation. Why not?

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Jan 16, 2024 09:30:06   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
In the case of convicted J6ers/i**********nists. I would favor not letting them v**e since they have tried to violate the peaceful t******r of p***r.

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Jan 16, 2024 09:49:16   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
And how about other released felons?

You know, the people that have already paid their debt to society.


It’s up to each state since it’s not a federal issue…

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Jan 16, 2024 11:38:21   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the case of convicted J6ers/i**********nists. I would favor not letting them v**e since they have tried to violate the peaceful t******r of p***r.


Then I guess they all get to v**e since no one was convicted of i**********n. Come on guy, you can’t pick and choose the crimes you want to exclude. I agree once your sentence has been served including state parole and federal probation (as one is still in constructive custody without restoration of constitutional rights i.e. 4th amendment protections from search and seizure) then they should v**e. As Blaster 34 stated the states have discretion as to who can be on a b****t and what would disqualify one from v****g. For instance in California a Parolee can v**e but an incarcerated felon can not which does not make sense as the parolee has not technically completed their sentence, are still in “constructive custody” and subject to search and seizure at anytime and any place. That being said the federal rules (Title 52-V****g and E******ns-Subtitle I and II) are quite specific and voluminous and any violation or non-compliance by a state’s Secretary of State could be met with the Department of Justice seeking declaratory relief.

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Jan 16, 2024 12:01:52   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the case of convicted J6ers/i**********nists. I would favor not letting them v**e since they have tried to violate the peaceful t******r of p***r.


You can't single out any group for special treatment/punishment. Once society's debt is repaid that is it.

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Jan 16, 2024 12:09:59   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
And what's this I hear about New York allowing i*****l a***ns to v**e?
Methinks it's a crime to enter the USA illegally!

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Jan 16, 2024 13:37:14   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
In most states, anyone convicted of a felony is prevented from v****g until they've completed all aspects of their punishment, including probation.

I think most of the J6 folks that are doing time were convicted (at a minimum) of the federal statute that involves disrupting an official proceeding. A resident of my state was held without bond for throwing a water bottle at a policemen and then entering the capitol where he did nothing more aggressive. He recently got an additional year in federal prison for a total that is going to be more than 3 years in prison and a lengthy probation period. The fact that he awaited 2 years in lockup and was denied bail shows you how skewed the J6 prosecutions have been.

At the same time, there are DAs around the country in major metropolitan areas not prosecuting violent crimes for repeat offenders.

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Jan 16, 2024 14:25:06   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
In most states, anyone convicted of a felony is prevented from v****g until they've completed all aspects of their punishment, including probation.

I think most of the J6 folks that are doing time were convicted (at a minimum) of the federal statute that involves disrupting an official proceeding. A resident of my state was held without bond for throwing a water bottle at a policemen and then entering the capitol where he did nothing more aggressive. He recently got an additional year in federal prison for a total that is going to be more than 3 years in prison and a lengthy probation period. The fact that he awaited 2 years in lockup and was denied bail shows you how skewed the J6 prosecutions have been.

At the same time, there are DAs around the country in major metropolitan areas not prosecuting violent crimes for repeat offenders.
In most states, anyone convicted of a felony is pr... (show quote)


Don’t forget zero bail policies so we can reoffend while waiting our next court date that we will probably fail to appear.

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Jan 16, 2024 14:28:21   #
srg
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
And what's this I hear about New York allowing i*****l a***ns to v**e?
Methinks it's a crime to enter the USA illegally!


New York is so evil (liberal) that they even allow aliens from other galaxies to v**e.

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Jan 16, 2024 21:42:13   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
In most states, anyone convicted of a felony is prevented from v****g until they've completed all aspects of their punishment, including probation.

I think most of the J6 folks that are doing time were convicted (at a minimum) of the federal statute that involves disrupting an official proceeding. A resident of my state was held without bond for throwing a water bottle at a policemen and then entering the capitol where he did nothing more aggressive. He recently got an additional year in federal prison for a total that is going to be more than 3 years in prison and a lengthy probation period. The fact that he awaited 2 years in lockup and was denied bail shows you how skewed the J6 prosecutions have been.

At the same time, there are DAs around the country in major metropolitan areas not prosecuting violent crimes for repeat offenders.
In most states, anyone convicted of a felony is pr... (show quote)


Sad but true — both the incarcerated and the DA’s not doing what should be required.

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Jan 19, 2024 15:09:26   #
pendennis
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the case of convicted J6ers/i**********nists. I would favor not letting them v**e since they have tried to violate the peaceful t******r of p***r.


This is addressed in the U.S. Constitution -

Article IX, Clause 3 - "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed"; and Article X, Clause 1 - "No State... shall pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law..."

That pretty much sums it up.

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Jan 19, 2024 15:22:09   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
lol

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Jan 19, 2024 15:52:17   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
pendennis wrote:
This is addressed in the U.S. Constitution -

Article IX, Clause 3 - "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed"; and Article X, Clause 1 - "No State... shall pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law..."

That pretty much sums it up.


Unless the laws are already in effect.

If I am convicted of a felony in Federal court, can I v**e?
If I am convicted of a felony in Federal court, can I v**e?

In all but two states (Vermont and Maine), v****g age citizens convicted of a felony are barred from v****g for at least some period of time. Restrictions on a felon's right to v**e are summarized below:

V****g rights retained while incarcerated for a felony conviction in: Maine and Vermont.

V****g rights restored automatically upon release from prison in: The District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Utah.

V****g rights restored automatically once released from prison and discharged from parole (probationers can v**e) in: California, Colorado, Connecticut, New York, and South Dakota.

V****g rights restored automatically upon completion of sentence, including prison, parole, and probation in: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

V****g rights restoration is dependent on the type of conviction and/or the outcome of an individual petition or application to the government in: Alabama, Delaware, Mississippi, Nevada, Tennessee, and Wyoming.

V****g rights can only be restored through an individual petition or application to the government in: Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, and Virginia.

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Jan 19, 2024 20:34:42   #
pendennis
 
Wyantry wrote:
Unless the laws are already in effect.

If I am convicted of a felony in Federal court, can I v**e?
If I am convicted of a felony in Federal court, can I v**e?

In all but two states (Vermont and Maine), v****g age citizens convicted of a felony are barred from v****g for at least some period of time. Restrictions on a felon's right to v**e are summarized below:

V****g rights retained while incarcerated for a felony conviction in: Maine and Vermont.

V****g rights restored automatically upon release from prison in: The District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Utah.

V****g rights restored automatically once released from prison and discharged from parole (probationers can v**e) in: California, Colorado, Connecticut, New York, and South Dakota.

V****g rights restored automatically upon completion of sentence, including prison, parole, and probation in: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

V****g rights restoration is dependent on the type of conviction and/or the outcome of an individual petition or application to the government in: Alabama, Delaware, Mississippi, Nevada, Tennessee, and Wyoming.

V****g rights can only be restored through an individual petition or application to the government in: Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, and Virginia.
Unless the laws are already in effect. br br If I... (show quote)


Read my reply to the original post -

ArtzDarkroom wrote:
In the case of convicted J6ers/i**********nists. I would favor not letting them v**e since they have tried to violate the peaceful t******r of p***r.


ArtzDarkroom implied a new law, which would be Unconstitutional, even if they met other conditions.

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