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Dec 11, 2023 19:17:07   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Some very interesting aircraft Tom. Well captured.

Don

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Dec 11, 2023 21:52:42   #
black mamba
 
MosheR wrote:
As you now know, Tom, I wouldn't want to be up in any of them. But if I had to get someplace, and they were what was available, I would. But only if I had to get someplace. In any case, they're all quite beautiful, and your photos of them, as usual, are spot on. I particularly like that second one, but what do I know? It's probably the yellow color.


There's no beating around the bush here. Where there's a will, there's a way. We know that there's a way, so all we have to work on is developing the will part. This is a tough case. It won't be easy. But with understanding and sympathy, we'll have you soaring through the skies....reveling at the adventure of it all.

Damn, what's all that racket. I told y'all to hold it down. Here I was, sound asleep and having a great dream.

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Dec 11, 2023 22:13:52   #
cucharared Loc: Texas, Colorado
 
That Quickie experimental looks like a Burt Rutan design. Always different looking but quite safe if I remember correctly. I think he also designed the SpaceShipOne mothership.

Ron

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Dec 11, 2023 23:15:57   #
black mamba
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Beautiful set Tom. Half the world think the P 51 was the best aircraft in WW II. The other half, including some Japanese fighter pilots think it was the F4U Corsair


Thanks, Jack.

There's some interesting thoughts being bantered around. But we need to delve a little further into the situation at the time.

In the European theatre, the P-51 pilots were going up against a very successful group of German pilots that were flying several excellent aircraft...including.the Messerschmitt 109 and the Focke-Wolfe 190. It was only toward the very end of the conflict that the quality of the German airman fell off considerably. The Mustang boys, the P-38 Lightning bunch, and the P-47 Thunderbolt crowd were up against some tough hombres pretty much the whole time.

Consider now the situation in the Pacific theatre. The Japanese pilots were already battle hardened from a couple of years of conflict and the Zero was a killer in combat. The U.S. Navy Wildcat was hopelessly outclassed, but it was flown by some great pilots and the U.S. was holding on as best it could. The arrival of the F6F Hellcat, which was superior to the Zero, marked the turning of the tide. And when the F4U Corsair showed up,the party was over for the Japanese .

But here's where the fly in the ointment shows up when you want to compare the war record of the P-51 in Europe versus that of the Corsair in the Pacific. Astoundingly to me, the Japanese had no aviation training program...I mean absolutely none....that could replace the loss of their frontline pilots as the war progressed. By the time the Corsair showed up, the game was practically over. It was indeed a far superior plane, flown by seasoned pilots, and they proceeded to decimate the remaining Japanese naval air forces that were woefully maned by poorly prepared aircrews.

Considering all of the factors at play, I'm going with the P-51. It was in combat for a longer period of time, flown against some very capable aircraft, particularly the Focke-Wolfe 190, and it was only very late in the war when the quality of the German aircrews fell off. In the end, of course, we were blessed to have both planes and aircrews necessary to prevail.

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Dec 12, 2023 22:34:28   #
Bubalola Loc: Big Apple, NY
 
black mamba wrote:
Three of these are a bit strange. The other two were major players In WW II.

#1. This is a Cessna AT-17 Bobcat. It served two major roles: one as a trainer for single-engine pilots who were transitioning to multi-engine planes and it also served as a light bomber. It was active in every theatre of operations. It picked up the nickname " Bamboo Bomber " because the fuselage was made of wood.

#2. I don't know the name of this aircraft but I don't think I'd be interested in going up in it. I realize that it's been certified for flight, but for someone else....not me.

#3. This is another one I'm not anxious to go up in. Maybe Batman would like it.

#4. This is a U.S. Airforce experimental vertical takeoff plane named the XF-V1. It didn't get very far in testing. It was too complicated and too expensive. It soon disappeared. At least you can say you saw a picture of it.

#5. The P-51 D Mustang. My favorite WW II fighter plane. Hell, I think it is half of the worlds favorite WW II plane. I've been up in this very plane, the Sizzlin Liz, and it's an experience I'll never forget.
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Dec 13, 2023 13:55:08   #
black mamba
 
Bubalola wrote:


Thanks for the visit. I appreciate it.

Tom

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Dec 13, 2023 13:57:25   #
black mamba
 
cucharared wrote:
That Quickie experimental looks like a Burt Rutan design. Always different looking but quite safe if I remember correctly. I think he also designed the SpaceShipOne mothership.

Ron


Hey, Ron.

I don't know who designed that plane. But you're sure right about Burt Rutan.

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