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Dec 4, 2023 10:09:33   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Normafries wrote:
. But I have zero experience with Nikon of any sort. A bit concerned about weight, too, as that lens weighs quite a bit.

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If weight is a concern, study the factory weight numbers on the body and lens you want and then take your current kit and try to load it to the same weight and shoot it for a day to see you handle the weight. The Z8 lists at 32oz. and the 70-200 f2.8 lists at 48 oz. - that's 6 lbs. Take a 6lb. dumbbell and hold it while watching TV. See how your muscles handle that.

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Dec 4, 2023 10:20:34   #
Burkley Loc: Park City
 
The biggest difference between full frame and smaller sensor formats is the ability to crop on one hand versus the light weight of a smaller camera. If I was better at my on site composition, the smaller formats would prove more than adequate. I gave my nice Panasonic travel camera to my son. I couldn’t get the results that I wanted for a few reasons and it made him very happy.

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Dec 4, 2023 10:42:04   #
Normafries Loc: San Jose CA
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
If weight is a concern, study the factory weight numbers on the body and lens you want and then take your current kit and try to load it to the same weight and shoot it for a day to see you handle the weight. The Z8 lists at 32oz. and the 70-200 f2.8 lists at 48 oz. - that's 6 lbs. Take a 6lb. dumbbell and hold it while watching TV. See how your muscles handle that.


Excellent idea. Given that, I seriously doubt I'd be happy with that weight! Back to the drawing board.....

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Dec 4, 2023 10:43:58   #
Normafries Loc: San Jose CA
 
Burkley wrote:
The biggest difference between full frame and smaller sensor formats is the ability to crop on one hand versus the light weight of a smaller camera. If I was better at my on site composition, the smaller formats would prove more than adequate. I gave my nice Panasonic travel camera to my son. I couldn’t get the results that I wanted for a few reasons and it made him very happy.


Right but full frame or not is not my concern. I have been shooting w the smaller format and you are right, it is adequate. Looking for a step up in quality. Had heard the Z8 w an S lends might be the ticket but not going to lug around 6 pounds. I am a small woman.....

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Dec 4, 2023 11:03:28   #
Burkley Loc: Park City
 
The sharpness of the 70-200 lens is amazing. Despite what people might say, saving a pound or two over a DSL with the lens and camera and the diminished size matters to me. Walking 3-5 miles tires me and a few extra pounds on my back is less comfortable.

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Dec 4, 2023 11:13:36   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
Normafries wrote:
Excellent idea. Given that, I seriously doubt I'd be happy with that weight! Back to the drawing board.....


In my experience I found the f2.8 lenses, while excellent, were too much weight for me. I went to f4 - 24-120 and 70-200. I also use primes when I can because they're much lighter and offer excellent results. The Z8 is as heavy as my D850, which, with a sizable lens, is a load to hand hold.

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Dec 4, 2023 11:33:49   #
Burkley Loc: Park City
 
To be accurate, the Z8 combo with the 70-200 2.8 comes in just under 4 lbs at 60 oz, not 6 lbs.

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Dec 4, 2023 11:47:08   #
b top gun
 
The Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 F mount lens is my second sharpest lens only to my old Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 manual focus Micro lens from my film days. Have not used the Micro yet on my Z8, but it has been excellent on both my D7100 and D850.

I digress. I took both a D850 and a Z8 to Alaska at the end of September; had three lenses along, a pair of Nikkor 24-70 f/2.8 non VR F mounts and the above mentioned Nikkor 70-200 F mount. What I like about the 70-200, it is an internal focus lens, it has very quick focus acquisition/lock and is sharp from end to end. IBIS in the Z8 helped nicely with the non VR 24-70; when I had the 70-200 on the Z8 its VR system overrode IBIS. By the end of the second day I all but packed away the D850, preferring the Z8. I am still comfortable with the Z8/70-200 combination; walked around a local zoo for over three hours with it a couple of weeks ago; was glad I had it that day.

Only YOU can make the final choice on what YOU want to purchase and use. I have been all Nikon for over 40 years; like the fact that their legacy manual focus primes still deliver quality images even on digital bodies. Of course all those legacy lenses were made in Japan. I simply refuse to believe all the hype and brow beating that some here dish out while seeming to pimp for certain camera manufacturers. When I read some of the posts on UHH by certain individuals, I find them talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time, kind of like politicians. Ya can't win a pi$$ing contest with a skunk!!!

Whatever delivers for YOU! I have images from several past Nikon holidays, images that were taken with a Samsung S22+; it was all I had at the moment and was happy I had that to get the shot!  

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Dec 4, 2023 11:47:15   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Normafries wrote:
I have been wanting to move to mirrorless. I need to be able to photograph animals in low light, so also considering getting Nikkor 70-200 2.8. I have been using Canon 7D Mark II for years, with L lenses, and to me, it has been OK but not great. But I have zero experience with Nikon of any sort. A bit concerned about weight, too, as that lens weighs quite a bit.

Any thoughts would be appreciated! Especially those of you that actually own a Nikon Z8....

I'm a pretty loyal Nikon buyer. And from what I've learned about the Z8 while shopping for it, I'm sure you would love having one.

BUT...

Sixteen years ago, I went into my local camera store with my mind set on buying a Canon EOS-20D (pretty sure that was the model...might have been an EOS 10-D). After talking to the sales person for a few minutes, he asked if I'd ever considered a Nikon D200. I said no, not really. He said, "Let me show you a few things."

I ended up coming out of the store with a brand new D200 after learning about and considering some things I'd never thought about. I've been very happy, but the camera I bought is very different in a number of key ways from the one I went in to buy. And I see that the Canon that my heart was set on would not have worked nearly as well for me.

Getting ideas and suggestions here isn't the worst thing you could do. But you are considering a pretty significant change. It doesn't matter what any of us think. You are looking at spending a lot of money. Please find a way to visit a local camera store. Ask the sales person to tour you around a Z8. Ask him to tour you around a couple of the Canon options that have been suggested. Then make an intelligent choice based on what you learn.

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Dec 4, 2023 12:35:02   #
photoman43
 
ricardo00 wrote:
I have owned a Nikon Z8 since they came out. But I have been a long time Nikon shooter. Not sure what attracts you to the Z8, but it is quite a step up from the Canon 7D Mark II, full frame, mirrorless etc. If you are concerned about weight, you might consider the 70-180mm f/2.8. It is quite a bit lighter than the 70-200mm f/2.8 (and cheaper), though missing the VR (but of course the camera has image stabilization).
You might try to borrow one and/or rent the set up to see if you like it before buying one? Without knowing the kind of photography you do, it is hard to say whether you need the Nikon Z8 (or a similar Canon one). Personally, I am having a lot of fun with the Z8.
Also, the problem with 70-200mm lenses that most of the time animals aren't that close? So a 300mm or 400mm would be better. Of course, a f/2.8 300mm or 400mm is even heavier. The nice thing about Nikon are the PF lenses. The 300mm f/4 PF lens is amazingly light. The 400mm f/4.5 (not a PF lens) is also super light but not quite as good as a f/4. So lots of choices, you will have to balance cost, weight of the lens, focal length and f stop.
Some of my pics with the Z8 are in my Z8 flickr album if interested:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/60519499@N00/albums/72177720308699137
I have owned a Nikon Z8 since they came out. But ... (show quote)


I shoot with a Z9, same family as the Z8. I did not buy the Z mount 70-200 f2.8 because of its weight and cost. Instead I got the Z mount 100-400mm S lens mainly for its extra reach. If I were to get a 70-200mm it would be the 70-180mm f2.8. My other Z mount lens is the 24-120mm f4 which I love using.

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Dec 4, 2023 12:50:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Bill_de wrote:
If you haven't already done this, you should post this in the Photo Gallery. Great shot.

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I'm surprised that it hasn't been moved by Admin.

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Dec 4, 2023 14:26:14   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm surprised that it hasn't been moved by Admin.


It doesn't need to be moved as it's not the opening shot.

I meant to repost it in the Photo Gallery because it's a great dog photo IMHO.

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Dec 4, 2023 14:53:03   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
billnikon wrote:
The 70-200 is fast but not ideal for wildlife photography. I shot in poor light with the Nikon 200-500 5.6 for years without issue.
I strongly suggest the Nikon 180-600. At 6.3 it is only a 1/3 stop slower than the 200-500. With today's camera's higher iso's are not an issue. The 180-600 is a much better choice. IMHO



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Dec 4, 2023 15:03:31   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
b top gun wrote:
The Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 F mount lens is my second sharpest lens only to my old Nikkor 55mm f/2.8 manual focus Micro lens from my film days. Have not used the Micro yet on my Z8, but it has been excellent on both my D7100 and D850.

I digress. I took both a D850 and a Z8 to Alaska at the end of September; had three lenses along, a pair of Nikkor 24-70 f/2.8 non VR F mounts and the above mentioned Nikkor 70-200 F mount. What I like about the 70-200, it is an internal focus lens, it has very quick focus acquisition/lock and is sharp from end to end. IBIS in the Z8 helped nicely with the non VR 24-70; when I had the 70-200 on the Z8 its VR system overrode IBIS. By the end of the second day I all but packed away the D850, preferring the Z8. I am still comfortable with the Z8/70-200 combination; walked around a local zoo for over three hours with it a couple of weeks ago; was glad I had it that day.

Only YOU can make the final choice on what YOU want to purchase and use. I have been all Nikon for over 40 years; like the fact that their legacy manual focus primes still deliver quality images even on digital bodies. Of course all those legacy lenses were made in Japan. I simply refuse to believe all the hype and brow beating that some here dish out while seeming to pimp for certain camera manufacturers. When I read some of the posts on UHH by certain individuals, I find them talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time, kind of like politicians. Ya can't win a pi$$ing contest with a skunk!!!

Whatever delivers for YOU! I have images from several past Nikon holidays, images that were taken with a Samsung S22+; it was all I had at the moment and was happy I had that to get the shot!  
The Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 F mount lens is my second ... (show quote)


Would not the D850 be a superior choice over the Z8 for a trip? According to DXO the D850 is demonstrably superior to the Z8 seeing as the D850 had a perfect score of 100 while the Z8 is way behind.
Just wondering.

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Dec 4, 2023 15:19:03   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Bill_de wrote:
It doesn't need to be moved as it's not the opening shot.

I meant to repost it in the Photo Gallery because it's a great dog photo IMHO.

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It is very good and loaded with emotion!!

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