A game changer with Sony: If this is all true, the others should step up right away or lose the battle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3LoZh-2Ew...

Wallen Loc: Middle Earth

If this is all true, the others should step up right away or lose the battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3LoZh-2Ew

R.G. Loc: Scotland

A global shutter is relevant as far as speed and fast movement are concerned, but there's a slight drop in image quality. If fast movement isn't a concern for you, global shutters aren't that big a deal.

Wallen Loc: Middle Earth

R.G. wrote:

A global shutter is relevant as far as speed and fast movement are concerned, but there's a slight drop in image quality. If fast movement isn't a concern for you, global shutters aren't that big a deal.

From what i remember, global shutter has been in use for a long time, hence I agree with you that there is no real breaktrough there.

The major advancement IMHO, is the allowing full sensor global capture at a 100+ fps(which is still suspect when they said it has focus breathing compensation)

They have become very high resolution video cameras from which each frame, can be a good photo, instead of the usual 1080p or 4k.

Everything else is mostly advert hype.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

The pixel war is over since AI generates its own... and high resolution is beyond eye/mind to perception. Is the new lightening bolt global shutter pizazz... juggling or sword swallowing... fodder fro the ad man.

Wallen Loc: Middle Earth

dpullum wrote:

The pixel war is over since AI generates its own... and high resolution is beyond eye/mind to perception. Is the new lightening bolt global shutter pizazz... juggling or sword swallowing... fodder fro the ad man.

looks like it.
Never the less, the others need to follow suite or be left behind the lies

BebuLamar

I wonder anybody experiences rolling shutter effect with the Nikon Z8 and Z9? They don't have global shutter nor mechanical shutter.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Wallen wrote:

If this is all true, the others should step up right away or lose the battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3LoZh-2Ew

A global shutter is great especially you can flash sync at any speed. This will also be a great thing for portrait and wedding photographers.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Wallen wrote:

If this is all true, the others should step up right away or lose the battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3LoZh-2Ew

Great if you want to sacrifice IQ, low DR and high noise for the shutter being faster.
The tech is just not there yet for FF stills cameras.
It has been out for a long time for video use.
Others are working on still global shutters and have made them for some years now but do not want to have the substantial compromises perhaps to just say they are first.
There was another maker who was late to the party in AF but waited to do it right and totally dominated AF for decades now. Same in mirrorless. First is not always best, but being right is best.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Wallen wrote:

.....I agree with you that there is no real breakthrough there......

If you ever hear of global shutters being combined with stacked photodiode sensors, that will be an advancement worthy of note. We've had stacked sensors for a while now but the only improvement was in how fast the sensor could be read from. However, stacked photodiode sensors overcome the problem of having transistors on the same layer as the photodiodes. And that was the main reason for the drop in IQ with the A9 III.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

R.G. wrote:

If you ever hear of global shutters being combined with stacked photodiode sensors, that will be an advancement worthy of note. We've had stacked sensors for a while now but the only improvement was in how fast the sensor could be read from. However, stacked photodiode sensors overcome the problem of having transistors on the same layer as the photodiodes. And that was the main reason for the drop in IQ with the A9 III.

And loss of dynamic Range and more noise.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Architect1776 wrote:

And loss of dynamic Range and more noise.

A global shutter sensor with stacked photodiodes would not suffer those drawbacks.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

R.G. wrote:

A global shutter sensor with stacked photodiodes would not suffer those drawbacks.

Better read about it further.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Architect1776 wrote:

Better read about it further.

Sony are already working on stacked photodiode sensors. At the moment the only device on sale that uses them is their latest smartphone, which I think is the Sony Xperia 1 V. However, when the A7S iv comes out it will have a full frame stacked photodiode sensor (but not a global shutter as far as I know).

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

Architect1776 wrote:

Great if you want to sacrifice IQ, low DR and high... (show quote)

We will have to wait and see if image quality is affected due to the global shutter. If it does I suspect it will be one of those technical things on the spec sheet, but don't amount to anything in real life scenarios.

I don't think GS alone is worth anything to me, having the A1 but the flash capability is intriguing...$6K...naw.

Now the 300 2.8, hmmm.

rcarol

R.G. wrote:

A global shutter is relevant as far as speed and fast movement are concerned, but there's a slight drop in image quality. If fast movement isn't a concern for you, global shutters aren't that big a deal.

Why would a global shutter result in any loss in image quality?