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Nov 3, 2023 15:45:31   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Digital files don't deteriorate. The media that hold the files (disc, SSD, HDD etc..) could deteriorate but then when that happens you have errors not faded color or losing sharpness.
I think if you do notice any deterioration it has to be with your eyesight. Eyesight changes a whole lot in 20 years both in color perception and sharpness.


Yes, the media, especially older magnetic media like disks can deteriorate, but assuming the corruption wasn’t enough to keep the image from being displayed it would cause localized corruption of the image, not overall fading.

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Nov 3, 2023 15:49:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Yes, the media, especially older magnetic media like disks can deteriorate, but assuming the corruption wasn’t enough to keep the image from being displayed it would cause localized corruption of the image, not overall fading.

Chances are if the file is buggered, it won't load into the editor.

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Nov 3, 2023 16:03:00   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
I think Lightroom 6.14 is so old that it is causing the fading!

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Nov 3, 2023 16:09:01   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RonDavis wrote:
While reviewing and culling some older folders/files/pictures, I noticed something that prompted this question: “Has anyone notice ‘any’ degradation of old (20+ years) electronic photo files, i.e., fading colors or loss of sharpness? If so, any idea what might be the cause?” This is not noticeable on all older files, but enough to prompt this question.

Background Info:
I’m a Fujifilm (jpeg) shooter, mostly using the Vivid film simulation. File management and main post processing system is Lightroom 6.14...supported with a few up-to-date plug-ins and transfer programs at my disposal when necessary: Photoshop Elements 2024, Luminar Neo, Exposure 7, Capture 1, 22 (for Fujifilm), DXO Photolab 6, and Inpixo Photo Studio 12. Programs are on the C drive; photos files are stored on an external hard drive.
I use a SmugMug site to display my photos…but the file fading does not appear to affect the site (and that’s good).

I've consider that my perceived "file degradation" might be due to improved PP programs; and/or increased PP skills and more critically demanding taste.
Thanks in advance for any feedback.
While reviewing and culling some older folders/fil... (show quote)


It’s possibly due to an ICC profile mismatch. Could an Adobe RGB file be interpreted as sRGB, somewhere in your imaging system? Examine file metadata to be sure the file is in the same color space as your working space, or that your software is matching it for you.

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Nov 3, 2023 16:23:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bsprague wrote:
I think Lightroom 6.14 is so old that it is causing the fading!


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Nov 3, 2023 17:03:49   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
bsprague wrote:
I think Lightroom 6.14 is so old that it is causing the fading!


Well, we all know Lr 6.14 isn't supported anymore...but I'm pretty sure there is still a large user base. But I haven't heard anyone with this problem...(or rumor as some have dangerously noted). So, I can't start blaming tools as much as I can my own perception and improved PP skills. Thanks.....

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Nov 3, 2023 17:29:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
All the images in these recent two posts were processed in LR6, like all my images presented to UHH and / or Flickr. The oldest images in the groupings date to 2009, and the camera involved dates to a 2006 purchase.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-765086-1.html
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-765333-1.html

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Nov 3, 2023 18:12:18   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I have experienced some loss of quality or color shifts on very old files that were saved on CDs and floppy disks. The original version of those files that were saved on the hard drives has survived well- no issues.I can only assume that the CDs and floppies were at fault.

Call me "old-school but I somehow believe that all digital media can be fragile or vulnerable to loss. For important family events and archival usage, I still advise clients to buy prints.- I still produce wedding albums and institutional and family portraits in traditional prints. I have display portraits in my home that are over 50 years old and still intact and have not faded.

I fully realize that modern digital media is not like old magnetic tape but I have experienced loss of music and other keepsakes on audio and video tape. Heat, electromagnetic fields, and bad storage can kill them. Sadly, it has become a "disposable" world". Also- playback gear often disappears or radically changes.

I consider myself somewhat tech-savvy but I am not a computer nerd and am basically an old photographer with a gray beard!

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Nov 3, 2023 18:14:07   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I have experienced some loss of quality or color shifts on very old files that were saved on CDs and floppy disks. The original version of those files that were saved on the hard drives has survived well- no issues.I can only assume that the CDs and floppies were at fault.

Call me "old-school but I somehow believe that all digital media can be fragile or vulnerable to loss. For important family events and archival usage, I still advise clients to buy prints.- I still produce wedding albums and institutional and family portraits in traditional prints. I have display portraits in my home that are over 50 years old and still intact and have not faded.

I fully realize that modern digital media is not like old magnetic tape but I have experienced loss of music and other keepsakes on audio and video tape. Heat, electromagnetic fields, and bad storage can kill them. Sadly, it has become a "disposable" world". Also- playback gear often disappears or radically changes.

I consider myself somewhat tech-savvy but I am not a computer nerd and am basically an old photographer with a gray beard!
I have experienced some loss of quality or color s... (show quote)


^^^^^ - See Ron, what'd I tell you? Everyone else who knows nothing about computers says, "great, it's not my imagination." Awesome UHH contribution!!

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Nov 3, 2023 18:17:41   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
^^^^^ - See Ron, what'd I tell you? Everyone else who knows nothing about computers says, "great, it's not my imagination." Awesome UHH contribution!!

And so many are computer experts......
Probably don't know what a checksum is or what they are used for.

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Nov 3, 2023 19:20:49   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
^^^^^ - See Ron, what'd I tell you? Everyone else who knows nothing about computers says, "great, it's not my imagination." Awesome UHH contribution!!


OK Paul, I see your point. But, I hope you (and others) can distinguish a question from a statement of fact. My post posed a legit photo question about file degradation...this was an inquiry; not a statement of fact...and was not made for trolling bait! Unfortunately, that question has been misread and misinterpreted as a statement of truth among adult readers that May Not Have Read the informed responses in the tread.

So, for your satisfaction as the UHH Contribution Judge and before this is gets anymore ridiculous...how about an example of "hypothetical rumor"... Silver cameras take better pictures than Black cameras...everybody not familiar with photography knows that! (False and don't expect a response).

I hope you (and others) will continue to distinguish a Question from a Statement of Fact; I'm done explaining the difference between the two.

Thank You

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Nov 3, 2023 19:57:46   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
All the images in these recent two posts were processed in LR6, like all my images presented to UHH and / or Flickr. The oldest images in the groupings date to 2009, and the camera involved dates to a 2006 purchase.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-765086-1.html
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-765333-1.html


Good to hear from another Lr6.14 user and know my OP issue and observation are not with this program. (However, I have notice a moderate difference in color management between other stand-alone desk-top programs like, DXO Photo Lab 7, Capture 1, and Luminar Neo. Maybe there isn't a difference in Lr CC...but I wouldn't know for sure? I'm still using Lr6 also since I like the ease of the file management system.

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Nov 3, 2023 20:29:47   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
RonDavis wrote:
Well, we all know Lr 6.14 isn't supported anymore...but I'm pretty sure there is still a large user base. But I haven't heard anyone with this problem...(or rumor as some have dangerously noted). So, I can't start blaming tools as much as I can my own perception and improved PP skills. Thanks.....


I did write that intending humor. That said, I enjoy the tools and toys in the subscription system more than any other entertainment I spend $10 on each month.

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Nov 3, 2023 20:37:30   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
bsprague wrote:
I did write that intending humor. That said, I enjoy the tools and toys in the subscription system more than any other entertainment I spend $10 on each month.


No harm, no foul, no problem

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Nov 3, 2023 21:27:52   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I have experienced some loss of quality or color shifts on very old files that were saved on CDs and floppy disks. The original version of those files that were saved on the hard drives has survived well- no issues.I can only assume that the CDs and floppies were at fault.

Call me "old-school but I somehow believe that all digital media can be fragile or vulnerable to loss. For important family events and archival usage, I still advise clients to buy prints.- I still produce wedding albums and institutional and family portraits in traditional prints. I have display portraits in my home that are over 50 years old and still intact and have not faded.

I fully realize that modern digital media is not like old magnetic tape but I have experienced loss of music and other keepsakes on audio and video tape. Heat, electromagnetic fields, and bad storage can kill them. Sadly, it has become a "disposable" world". Also- playback gear often disappears or radically changes.

I consider myself somewhat tech-savvy but I am not a computer nerd and am basically an old photographer with a gray beard!
I have experienced some loss of quality or color s... (show quote)


Hi Ed....thanks for the informative response. Your(s) and other responses have help me think this trough.
I'm trying to understand if my issue with fading files is my perception or a physical reality. Since this fading issues is not universal across all files...I'm incline to believe my issue is a little of both. What I found acceptable back then, I wouldn't publish or proudly display now. That's (improved) perception.
I'm thinking the physical reality might be cause by the way I processed (older) files and workflow changes over the years...Example; there's probably a simple explanation regarding the difference in appearance between the sharp/vibrant file's on my SmugMug Page and the (faded) back-end source files on my computer hard drives...again, for some older files...not all. User error/changes in workflow..."might" be the cause for inconsistent appearance between the two (a physical reality)...and that's my bad. I'm examining this probably.

Thanks again,

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