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Nov 4, 2023 00:45:38   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
AzPicLady wrote:
I'm not sure what good it will do to express my opinion here, as after 8 pages probably most aren't reading. And those who are proponents of "do anything you want" simply poo-poo my attitude anyway. But here goes.

I shoot reality. I want my pictures to reflect as closely as possible what actually was there. I want people who go to the spot where I shot that scene to see as closely as possible what they saw in my picture. I realize there are problems with that attitude. There's trash on the scene. There's a cable or a wire that interrupts the view. No, I'm not opposed to cleaning up the trash. And I do take out an occasional wire or cable. But I won't change the colour of a bird or oversaturate it to make it "more beautiful." I won't add anything to the scene that wasn't there. I did move an element some years back, but when I posted it I noted that it had been moved. And I did not call the resulting image a photograph. These are my ethics, not necessarily the same as those of anyone else. When things are manipulated beyond reality (changing colours, moving elements, adding elements, etc.) I think it might be a really nice image. But I can no longer call it a photograph. It now becomes digital art, which is fine - just not what I do.

And it's OK for me to be that way. Contrary to what those who PP to death their images might say, it's OK to deal in reality. And I think they should state that they have changed reality so that I, when looking at their image, don't think that it is reality. If it's a composite, let me know that.

Since I'm on my soapbox right now, I'll talk about something else. So many people point to Ansel Adams claiming he manipulated his pictures. So what? I really don't care what he did. He's not a god that made up all the rules of photography. He was a man that did pretty well within his own sense of right. The fact that I disagree with it doesn't make me wrong - just different.

OK, now you can laugh and deride me all you want. I'll stay true to me and what I believe is correct.
I'm not sure what good it will do to express my op... (show quote)


Ever since photography was invented there have been those who tried to make photos as realistic as possible, and those who created their own vision. Adding or removing objects, swapping skies, etc. have been done in the darkroom way before digital came along. So when you say you can't call such images photographs and say they are digital art instead, what do you call those images when they were created in the darkroom? It seems many realists want to claim manipulated photographs are not photographs, while most photographers who do manipulated work have no problem with the realists. it's all photography.

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