kcj Loc: Seneca SC

Where can you learn these two programs without going to a collage. Ours does not have a good program at all. Also I use a Mac. Thank you

Harry02 Loc: Gardena, CA

Wow1 Do I get to be first?
Youtube University.
There YEARS of tutorials- look uo "Basic" and "Beginner" in your searches.
Be Amazed!

CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas

First, you have them backwards. You are a photographer. You learn Lightroom first for 90% of the work. As an instructor, you learn Lightroom Classic (forget the others). YouTube is great but KelbyOne may be your better choice as they approach it as you are photographer and as you develop how to use Big Brother PS when needed. Do not fall into the trap that PS Camera Raw is identical to LRC. Yes, they run on the same engine. No, they are not the same. Send me a PM and I will send you a booklet I wrote for a refresher course last summer.

kcj Loc: Seneca SC

Ok how much do you want for it

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

Adobe also has tutorials.

pecohen Loc: Central Maine

I found LR to be pretty easy to learn by trial-and-error. PS is needed less often but really does demand instruction. The Great Courses has a course on each of them and I did find the one for PS to be quite helpful; I'll probably go back to watch some of it again before long.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

The Help menu in Classic has a link to the Adobe tutorials John mentioned.
https://creativecloud.adobe.com/cc/learn/app/lightroom-classic?locale=en

In addition there are a half dozen or more educators that have made themselves famous in the photography world. My favorite is Matt Kloskowski. He has courses you can buy. His teaching style if very good.

Others include Victoria Brampton (the Lightroom Queen). She has a good book. Anthony Morganti has a very good YouTube channel that is free but I don't think he has a current introductory tutorial.

Terry White has the title of "Adobe Worldwide Evangelist". His work is always good. He has a 1 hour introduction to Lightroom Classic here: https://www.youtube.com/live/sNcgyINrgmc?si=6JTCHxdp-hwkylAP

Theresa Jackson has a course on LinkedIn Learning. The first month is free and a lot of Public Libraries provide free access.

I learned Lightroom from Julieanne Kost when it was version 4! She has a wonderful resource page here: https://jkost.com/blog/lightroom-training-videos

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

I also found LR to be pretty much intuitional. HOWEVER:

PLEASE distinguish between LR and LrC. When I learned it, I learned LR. There was only one. Now there are two and they are DIFFERENT. The one you want is LrC (sometimes called Lightroom Classic). The other one is sometimes called 'Lightroom Mobile'. Maybe we should start calling it LrM? If both versions are three letters it is clearer which one you are referring to.

CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas

Free, it was used as a refresher course for students using the development module.

DJCard Loc: Northern Kentucky

When you say, “(forget the others),” do you mean forget Lightroom (for mobile devices such as iPhone and iPad) and just stick with Lightroom Classic? Thanks.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

http://www.jkost.com/

YouTube is FULL of tutorials on Adobe applications.

However, nothing beats sitting down with the computer, opening the applications, going through menus with some disposable test files, and just trying the functions. About 80% of them are understandable via experience. Once you start struggling with one, look it up on the Internet and you'll find more help than you can consume...

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Adobe has a host of both written and video training, available to subscribers-only, at Adobe.com in the support / training section. There's more free training on utube than you (or any individual) could ever watch in this lifetime.

Lightroom is purposefully easier of the two software to learn and get productive faster than PhotoShop. You should attack only one of the two softwares initially, LR being the choice - specifically Lightroom "Classic", the software that installs locally, not the browser based "Lightroom".

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Adobe's intention (that they seemingly won't admit) was to replace what is now Lightroom CLASSIC with a cloud-connected version better suited to the habits of millennials who use smartphones and digital cameras and computers. The point of the new Lightroom is to share your files among all your devices. However, most of us who used versions of Lightroom 1.0 through 6.14 didn't buy that idea.

The ORIGINAL Lightroom, and now Lightroom CLASSIC, were created primarily for working professionals. The point is to have an "image database" that serves as the HUB of your entire digital workflow. As a catalog/database-driven app, it does NOT contain your images, but DOES serve as a giant METADATA repository. Metadata is "data about your data." When you "Import" files into LrC, they are stored outside of Lightroom Classic, either where you originally put them, or where you told LrC to put them.

The database (catalog) just stores a path to the image, a path to a proxy of the image (reduced file size temp file for display), and a lot of instructions about the changes you want to apply to the original when you Export, Send to Photoshop (or another app), Print, Book, or Post to a website. It also includes additional user-generated metadata, and any ratings or descriptions you apply during initial cull editing of a session of photography.

Lightroom Mobile is still a thing, but it is less powerful than the new Lightroom. My take is that Mac users should just use Apple Photos, instead of Lightroom Mobile, since Photos is free. Mac users probably pay for some iCloud storage anyway, and Macs, iPhones, and iPads are all connected via their iCloud accounts. There's really no need for a separate Adobe Cloud account for your mobile phone photos. However, if you're a serious photographer, you may want BOTH LrC on your desktop or laptop, plus the new Lightroom (NOT mobile, but cloud connected), working in tandem through the Adobe Cloud. You can sync selected images from Lightroom Classic through the Adobe Cloud to Lightroom on your mobile device, and vice versa.

Are you confused yet? If so, start with Lightroom Classic.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

There are certainly advantages to using Mac Photos since your mobile phone photos go there by default. However I have never really liked Photos because by the time I started using Photos I had been using Lightroom (Classic) for about a decade. And I like knowing where my stuff is stored. Photos obfuscates the path the the photo files. I really like keeping things together when they are similar things but Photos seems to place things randomly about. Also, I have more tools available for transmogrifying my images when I use LrC than I do when I use Photos (and more experience doing image processing with LrC than Photos).

I get the impression that I'm in the minority when it comes to image processing, not because the processing is necessary, but because I have better tools and can make finer adjustments. Even simple things like cropping is kind of coarse doing it on my phone. I have to drag the corners around on a screen only a couple of inches wide, wheras I have a 16" screen on my laptop computer to play with. And I never got used to trackpads, having moved to a trackball about 3 decades ago or more.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

The reason I use Photos is to keep my phone images separate from my serious imagery done with my Lumix. I do all my serious work in LrC and Ps. The phone files can be exported to disk and imported to LrC when needed. Photos is dirt simple if you know LrC. It probably does 80% of what LrC Develop module does. I think it took me a few hours to get comfortable in it.

The Mac trackpads are the best on the market, and they don't get any better than the one on the 16-inch MacBook Pros. But I understand the muscle memory phenomenon. I go back and forth between laptop and mouse. But after doing that since 1994... I don't even notice which I'm using.