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Oct 20, 2023 17:51:32   #
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larryepage wrote:
Moshe--

You raise valid points. There also some other points to consider. I am one of those who posts minimally here, although a few of my significant photographs can be found in the archives. They were posted before I made the decision to mostly stop. Several factors contributed to that decision.

Many of my photographs are high resolution images with a significant amount og fine detail. Some are stitched panoramas of multiple high resolution images. There is no way that my original intent survives the downsizing required to make them fit the forum's upload restrictions.

Most of the photographs I have taken over the past few years have been at school for the yearbook or other internal usage. I am not allowed to share images including students, and I will not violate the privacy of teachers by publishing their likenesses.on the forum.

I have still not completely decided whose opinions I trust and whose I do not, nor whose comments would be helpful and whose would just be distractions. Since I do have a cadre of trusted friends who are accomplished artists and historians and scientists and teachers, I have chosen them as my "share partners." We have open discussions of each others' work.

The pragmatic reason I don't post here is that I'm not interested in having my images scraped and circulated and perhaps having their ownership stolen.

As far as participating in discussions of equipment, technique, and process, the jury is still out on that. There are a number of subject areas in which deeply imbedded misinformation makes learning more difficult than necessary and performance less effective than reasonably expected. Fads and trends further complicate the effort to achieve best practice. Photography is one of those. I would really like to be part of correcting errors and making better photographers. I do not know that this forum is a reasonable place to spend a lot of effort to work to make that happen.
Moshe-- br br You raise valid points. There also ... (show quote)

IOW, theres no point bashing your head against the ramparts of our UHH Sacred Traditions of Mythos and Misinformation.

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Oct 20, 2023 17:54:39   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
srt101fan wrote:
You don’t have to, of course, but can you give us your reasons?


Some folks never played sports, but can talk a lot about it like they are experts. Some folks are not proficient at something but can talk and write like they are experts.
Some folks can walk the walk while others talk the walk.
Either you are, are your not. Sad but true.

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Oct 20, 2023 18:39:19   #
BebuLamar
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I don’t know if it’s quite that simple. I think there are plenty of people here that can give great advice, that have a great understanding of techniques and tools, but maybe lack in artistic sensibility. By the same token there are those with a great eye that maybe lack the technical expertise to fully bring their vision to fruition. I’ll take advice from either in the areas of their strengths. I occasionally post in the gallery but it’s pretty rare because I don’t spend much time there. I find it’s mostly well-executed snapshots. I do like it if during a discussion in the main forum a poster includes a photo as a demonstration of the topic being discussed.
I don’t know if it’s quite that simple. I think th... (show quote)


Yes! you should be able to judge whether the advices are sound or not. Not because someone successful in doing something then their advices are valid.

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Oct 20, 2023 19:29:17   #
neillaubenthal
 
I agree with Grahame…I don’t post many shots because I’m not looking for adulation from anybody…or even contempt or disdain. I come here for ideas that I might borrow…and to fight against the brand/format/whatever fan boys…because in the end none of that matters. Steve a Perry says…and I wholeheartedly agre…that a good image is defined by the 80/4 rule…8p% of. Good image comes from 4 inches behind the viewfinder. Brand, format or whatever doesn’t matter. Any camera you can but today will produce good images…some enhancements will increase the keeper rate but I’ve got good photos I took back in the 70s with a film SLR that had no auto anything.
Unfortunately…there are too many here that think brand or sensor size or mirrorless vs DSLR are the only way to get a good image…but those people are…bluntly…full of crap.

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Oct 20, 2023 19:38:11   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The greatest images are those that move you to buy the same type of camera. We see now why so many are unwilling to share their off-brand images.

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Oct 20, 2023 19:39:22   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
I agree with Grahame…I don’t post many shots because I’m not looking for adulation from anybody…or even contempt or disdain. I come here for ideas that I might borrow…and to fight against the brand/format/whatever fan boys…because in the end none of that matters. Steve a Perry says…and I wholeheartedly agre…that a good image is defined by the 80/4 rule…8p% of. Good image comes from 4 inches behind the viewfinder. Brand, format or whatever doesn’t matter. Any camera you can but today will produce good images…some enhancements will increase the keeper rate but I’ve got good photos I took back in the 70s with a film SLR that had no auto anything.
Unfortunately…there are too many here that think brand or sensor size or mirrorless vs DSLR are the only way to get a good image…but those people are…bluntly…full of crap.
I agree with Grahame…I don’t post many shots becau... (show quote)


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Oct 20, 2023 19:53:07   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
billnikon wrote:
It's because folks spend thousands of dollars on equipment and still take dull uninteresting images that they could have got with a point and shoot.
As I have always said, the photographer takes the image, not the equipment. Skill, knowledge, practice and experience will always win the day.


Amazingly beautiful!

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Oct 20, 2023 20:00:35   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
lmTrying wrote:
Amazingly beautiful!


Many thanks. I try to impress the idea that experience, knowledge, skill, and practice are more important than what camera is used.
A DSLR can take images that are no different than those produced by mirrorless models.
Not everyone can afford to switch brands are move to mirrorless.
If you look at every successful professional or amateur, they all will tell you skill and knowledge are important to taking successful images. Most will not mention the camera used because it is not that important.

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Oct 20, 2023 20:37:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Retired CPO wrote:
When I first came to UHH I thought it was a photo sharing network. That's how I have thought of it ever since, and how I describe it when talking to people about where and what I do with my photos. I guess I will have to re-assess my thoughts on this.
I enjoy sharing my photos and I enjoy seeing others photos. That's what I'm here for. I do enjoy some of the conversations that come up, but that is always as a secondary consideration. I'm not a gear expert. And not even close to an expert on the computer side of digital photography. I don't understand very much of that, and really don't want to except when something wonky happens that I have to engage with to be able to get back to what's important, which is the photography.
I do agree completely with the original poster, Moshe, when he says that taking criticism from someone who doesn't post photographs just doesn't work very well for me.
When I first came to UHH I thought it was a photo ... (show quote)


This brings up something that I've been kicking around my head for decades: Photography is an art and a craft, a skill and a tool, a medium and a process, and above all, a sort of visual language. I find it difficult to separate the process and the tools used to complete the process from the intention and the end result: a visual impression on someone's mind. Mastering at least some of the technology, whether film or digital imaging, is a necessary component in reaching a compelling end result. That is what drives my curiosity about new equipment, and has, since I was a little kid.

My own images tend to be purposeful or practical assignments, or fantasy subjects. I really learned photography as a high school yearbook candid photojournalist. So I just put together an 800+ image slide show of my senior year in high school (1972-73) that was shown last Saturday night at our 50-year reunion. All my images were made 50 years ago on 35mm Tri-X. I digitized them from the original film negatives over the last year. I still have three more years to digitize! The most common comment at the party was something like, "I can't believe you kept these, or even considered doing this." It will wind up on my YouTube channel with a private password for classmates, same as the Davidson College '77 reunion video I made in 2022. There are some priceless moments that jogged a lot of memories.

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Oct 20, 2023 20:43:56   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Longshadow wrote:


Some people are really nice, some in-between, some are posterior portals.

"Next subject?"


What? Wait! Humm.... Portals, eh? Well said. Yep next.

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Oct 20, 2023 21:06:34   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
billnikon wrote:
Many thanks. I try to impress the idea that experience, knowledge, skill, and practice are more important than what camera is used.
A DSLR can take images that are no different than those produced by mirrorless models.
Not everyone can afford to switch brands are move to mirrorless.
If you look at every successful professional or amateur, they all will tell you skill and knowledge are important to taking successful images. Most will not mention the camera used because it is not that important.
Many thanks. I try to impress the idea that experi... (show quote)


I agree with everything you said.

I shoot Cannon because I like the way they feel in my hand. I have an RP because I understand it. An R is far beyond my understanding. I assume you shoot Nikon. Why? That's between you and your camera.

I've said over and over, give a cheap point n shoot to a well seasoned expert and they will take a beautiful image. Give a stable of the very best cameras to a poor photographer and you'll get a whole stable poor images.

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Oct 20, 2023 21:10:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Older and wiser voices can help you find the right camera brand, especially when you are willing to listen to those who shoot Canon.

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Oct 20, 2023 22:53:08   #
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CHG_CANON wrote:
The greatest images are those that move you to buy the same type of camera. We see now why so many are unwilling to share their off-brand images.

OK, I must "confess" that I do own and use most of the exact same cameras and lenses that delivered the finest images I ever see.

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Oct 20, 2023 23:57:45   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
billnikon wrote:
Some folks never played sports, but can talk a lot about it like they are experts. Some folks are not proficient at something but can talk and write like they are experts.
Some folks can walk the walk while others talk the walk.
Either you are, are your not. Sad but true.


Sports is a good example. Most coaches were never great players. They just lacked the physical skill to achieve greatness, but they developed an understanding of the game and the ability to impart that knowledge to others. It’s actually rare that a superstar player makes a good coach because they expect players to be able to make the play the would have made.

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Oct 21, 2023 01:38:47   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
Retired CPO wrote:

I couldn't agree more!!!!!
I am currently in between locations and haven't posted much lately...But I will resume posting when that makes sense. In the mean time, many of my past posts are available for viewing for anyone interested.
I don't have many heroes, but TDR is one of those few!
GREAT POST!!
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TR did not have a middle name, but we do agree on heroes.

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