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Oct 17, 2023 09:46:19   #
alemorkam Loc: Central Florida
 
What site do you recommend?

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Oct 17, 2023 10:08:42   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
NONE.

What issue needs to be resolved? What specific issue? What are you trying to accomplish? You only need more pixel resolution for relatively infrequent issues, typically too much of a crop for a screen filling image or a print of a particularly large size.

Screen filling would be defined as 2048-pixels on the wide say, or maybe 3840 horizontal (wide-side) pixels to fill your 4K TV. You don't need to up-size a pixel-based digital image beyond what is needed for specific need, where you don't have enough pixels for that need. Your DSLR / MILC probably has all the pixels needed for these needs (wide-side) and only your editing / cropping created a resolution issue for an image now too small for need.

Large size prints might be 3-feet wide (36+ inches) at a 300ppi pixel resolution. PPI - pixels per inch. And, you'd need 300 ppi for a print over 3-feet wide if you're doing a paid in-store presentation. Less total pixels, less than the 300 ppi 'gold standard' is fine when you don't need to impress people who want to stand nose to print for visual inspection of the print details.

When you're not dealing with these technical issues, you don't need software GAS.

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Oct 17, 2023 10:38:03   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
NONE.

What issue needs to be resolved? What specific issue? What are you trying to accomplish? You only need more pixel resolution for relatively infrequent issues, typically too much of a crop for a screen filling image or a print of a particularly large size.

Screen filling would be defined as 2048-pixels on the wide say, or maybe 3840 horizontal (wide-side) pixels to fill your 4K TV. You don't need to up-size a pixel-based digital image beyond what is needed for specific need, where you don't have enough pixels for that need. Your DSLR / MILC probably has all the pixels needed for these needs (wide-side) and only your editing / cropping created a resolution issue for an image now too small for need.

Large size prints might be 3-feet wide (36+ inches) at a 300ppi pixel resolution. PPI - pixels per inch. And, you'd need 300 ppi for a print over 3-feet wide if you're doing a paid in-store presentation. Less total pixels, less than the 300 ppi 'gold standard' is fine when you don't need to impress people who want to stand nose to print for visual inspection of the print details.

When you're not dealing with these technical issues, you don't need software GAS.
NONE. br br What issue needs to be resolved? What... (show quote)


There are also AI apps for sharpening, noise reduction, and even Adobe's new generative fill.

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Oct 17, 2023 10:42:57   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
There are also AI apps for sharpening, noise reduction, and even Adobe's new generative fill.


You're right, for some reason I read pixel upsize (pixel enlargement), even though I read it again and can't find it ...

Another funny observation was I was thinking to myself even this morning about a post asking where our SOOC gang has been hiding with all these daily AI questions / demonstrations? I always felt they (SOOC) were luddites complaining about the dropping barriers of entry into photography (software instead of expensive equipment and practice / skill). You'd think they'd be manning the online barricades and screaming holy hell about software now doing all the work, with no camera needed at all.

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Oct 17, 2023 10:57:02   #
kmpankopf Loc: Mid-Michigan; SW Pennsylvania
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You're right, for some reason I read pixel upsize (pixel enlargement), even though I read it again and can't find it ...

Another funny observation was I was thinking to myself even this morning about a post asking where our SOOC gang has been hiding with all these daily AI questions / demonstrations? I always felt they (SOOC) were luddites complaining about the dropping barriers of entry into photography (software instead of expensive equipment and practice / skill). You'd think they'd be manning the online barricades and screaming holy hell about software now doing all the work, with no camera needed at all.
You're right, for some reason I read pixel upsize ... (show quote)


SOOC - took me a minute. Ha. Then I had a flash back to many club meetings. I'd say thanks for that trip down memory lane, but you might take it as a compliment.

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Oct 17, 2023 11:18:54   #
srt101fan
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You're right, for some reason I read pixel upsize (pixel enlargement), even though I read it again and can't find it ...

Another funny observation was I was thinking to myself even this morning about a post asking where our SOOC gang has been hiding with all these daily AI questions / demonstrations? I always felt they (SOOC) were luddites complaining about the dropping barriers of entry into photography (software instead of expensive equipment and practice / skill). You'd think they'd be manning the online barricades and screaming holy hell about software now doing all the work, with no camera needed at all.
You're right, for some reason I read pixel upsize ... (show quote)


Paul, I think you need some more of those pancakes you cooked up the other day. After that maybe we can talk about why there’s a smartphone photography section but not a Canon section….? ☹️

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Oct 17, 2023 11:50:07   #
imagextrordinair Loc: Halden, Norway
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
NONE.

What issue needs to be resolved? What specific issue? What are you trying to accomplish? You only need more pixel resolution for relatively infrequent issues, typically too much of a crop for a screen filling image or a print of a particularly large size.

Screen filling would be defined as 2048-pixels on the wide say, or maybe 3840 horizontal (wide-side) pixels to fill your 4K TV. You don't need to up-size a pixel-based digital image beyond what is needed for specific need, where you don't have enough pixels for that need. Your DSLR / MILC probably has all the pixels needed for these needs (wide-side) and only your editing / cropping created a resolution issue for an image now too small for need.

Large size prints might be 3-feet wide (36+ inches) at a 300ppi pixel resolution. PPI - pixels per inch. And, you'd need 300 ppi for a print over 3-feet wide if you're doing a paid in-store presentation. Less total pixels, less than the 300 ppi 'gold standard' is fine when you don't need to impress people who want to stand nose to print for visual inspection of the print details.

When you're not dealing with these technical issues, you don't need software GAS.
NONE. br br What issue needs to be resolved? What... (show quote)


No extra software needed...

I was at my printer yesterday and he had an old digitized image from the 1950's on screen ready to edit for print quality. it was too small but it was all the customer had, something under 1200 mpxls wide, so some work needed to be done. Because of my experiences and success with ps AI enhancement... I suggested he try it.

As a note for some, the protocol to open a jpeg in camera raw is controlled by settings, so first you need to do that step for the enhancement feature. We then used the enhancement feature and generated a B&W that is then by default double the original size, so now he had a 2400 mpxl wide image. He then compared his typical old method of expansion in ps with all of the basic settings for size and expanding to 300 dpi to create what he done before.

The AI results were amazingly superior not only in size, but contrast, noise, sharpness and clarity. After all of that Generative fill repaired all of the challenges for the restoration in little time.

None of this was possible not long ago... I am convinced aliens are here, that's why we have advanced so quicly in such a short time...

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Oct 17, 2023 11:53:50   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
imagextrordinair wrote:
No extra software needed...

I was at my printer yesterday and he had an old digitized image from the 1950's on screen ready to edit for print quality. it was too small but it was all the customer had, something under 1200 mpxls wide, so some work needed to be done. Because of my experiences and success with ps AI enhancement... I suggested he try it.

As a note for some, the protocol to open a jpeg in camera raw is controlled by settings, so first you need to do that step for the enhancement feature. We then used the enhancement feature and generated a B&W that is then by default double the original size, so now he had a 2400 mpxl wide image. He then compared his typical old method of expansion in ps with all of the basic settings for size and expanding to 300 dpi to create what he done before.

The AI results were amazingly superior not only in size, but contrast, noise, sharpness and clarity. After all of that Generative fill repaired all of the challenges for the restoration in little time.

None of this was possible not long ago... I am convinced aliens are here, that's why we have advanced so quicly in such a short time...
No extra software needed... br br I was at my pri... (show quote)


No extra software needed? Are you assuming the OP already has PS?

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Oct 17, 2023 12:09:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
imagextrordinair wrote:
No extra software needed...

I was at my printer yesterday and he had an old digitized image from the 1950's on screen ready to edit for print quality. it was too small but it was all the customer had, something under 1200 mpxls wide, so some work needed to be done. Because of my experiences and success with ps AI enhancement... I suggested he try it.

As a note for some, the protocol to open a jpeg in camera raw is controlled by settings, so first you need to do that step for the enhancement feature. We then used the enhancement feature and generated a B&W that is then by default double the original size, so now he had a 2400 mpxl wide image. He then compared his typical old method of expansion in ps with all of the basic settings for size and expanding to 300 dpi to create what he done before.

The AI results were amazingly superior not only in size, but contrast, noise, sharpness and clarity. After all of that Generative fill repaired all of the challenges for the restoration in little time.

None of this was possible not long ago... I am convinced aliens are here, that's why we have advanced so quicly in such a short time...
No extra software needed... br br I was at my pri... (show quote)


Not sure I understand 2400 mpxl?

Mega pixels are MP, and MP as a 'measurement' is typically the total pixel resolution of an image or sensor, like 4000x6000 pixels = 24,000,000-pixels or 24MP. Are you trying to say 24MP or 2400-pixels as measured on one side of the image?

When it comes to screen or print size and the pixel resolution of the image file, it's not the total resolution that is relevant, rather the wide side of the image and how closely that pixel 'length' matches to the display or print size width.

To your example, if you need to increase the pixel resolution from just 1200-pixels 'wide' to 2400px, Lightroom or PhotoShop or similar can do a good enough job, no need for specialized AI software. And again, as said in my initial reply, you should seek to upscale the pixel resolution only to the minimum needed for the specific purpose.

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Oct 17, 2023 12:18:07   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
"What site do your reccomend?

Could Adobe be the biggest imaging software company? Their annual convention was held this week in Los Angeles. They call the convention "MAX". Without doubt it is a high order PR, promotion and sales event. They dramatically display the new features of existing software followed with "sneak previews" of what they are working on. All is recorded in some way for repeated exposure through social media.

If you might be entertained by "magic" AI stuff, google search or YouTube search for things like "Adobe MAX", "MAX Sneak Previews", etc.

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Oct 17, 2023 12:24:59   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
OP is a mess. Generally sites are for demonstrating or explaining things. Different software programs would represent ai as part of workflow or achieving defined results.

OP fails to pose a question or post anything that generates meaningful discussion.

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Oct 17, 2023 12:35:43   #
kmpankopf Loc: Mid-Michigan; SW Pennsylvania
 
imagextrordinair wrote:


None of this was possible not long ago... I am convinced aliens are here, that's why we have advanced so quicly in such a short time...


If you know, you know.

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Oct 17, 2023 13:25:38   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
alemorkam wrote:
What site do you recommend?


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None. I handle any photo enhancement I wany done for myself.

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Oct 17, 2023 13:28:26   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Orphoto wrote:
OP is a mess. Generally sites are for demonstrating or explaining things. Different software programs would represent ai as part of workflow or achieving defined results.

OP fails to pose a question or post anything that generates meaningful discussion.


The OP just needs to specify what type of photo enhancements he wants to do, and what software he already has.

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Oct 17, 2023 15:56:19   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Not sure I understand 2400 mpxl?

Mega pixels are MP, and MP as a 'measurement' is typically the total pixel resolution of an image or sensor, like 4000x6000 pixels = 24,000,000-pixels or 24MP. Are you trying to say 24MP or 2400-pixels as measured on one side of the image?

When it comes to screen or print size and the pixel resolution of the image file, it's not the total resolution that is relevant, rather the wide side of the image and how closely that pixel 'length' matches to the display or print size width.

To your example, if you need to increase the pixel resolution from just 1200-pixels 'wide' to 2400px, Lightroom or PhotoShop or similar can do a good enough job, no need for specialized AI software. And again, as said in my initial reply, you should seek to upscale the pixel resolution only to the minimum needed for the specific purpose.
Not sure I understand 2400 u mpxl /u ? br br Me... (show quote)


Okay, Paul. I don't usually ask you directly about this stuff, but maybe we can come to an understanding. I recently transferred about ten thousand photos from my computer to my new 1TB and 2TB SSB drives. For some reason, yeah, probably my fault, I hope we can get past that. All the files stored on the new SSB drives were drastically reduced in size. One particularly that I was going to have a 16X20 canvas print made from ended up being 1.2Meg down from about 14Meg. Now what??

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