Merlin1300 wrote:
OK - I simply wonder how pro photographers can work with such personable models and avoid getting personally involved. You could probably write a book on that subject - or ghost write it if your lysdexia gets in the way. But a brief synopsis would be helpful.
I recall reading an article (who knows if it was true) about a photog who shot Norma Jean - and was supposedly asked after the shoot if he'd care to join her in a quick snuggle - which he somehow declined (this of course was post DiMaggio - but what wasn't?). Used to be - what goes in Vegas, stays in Vegas. What goes TDY stays TDY. Not so much any more with the internet over our shoulders.
OK - I simply wonder how pro photographers can wor... (
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Truth is, some of us are actually into making art, not trying to get layed. But truth is we are boys and human and there are times when tings do happen. Above is one of the clear visual signals that women use to say with body language that they want some physical contact.
Truth is, some of us are actually into making art, not trying to get laid. But truth is we are boys and human and there are times when tings do happen. Above is one of the clear visual signals that women use to say with body language that they want some physical contact.
Some good points raised and as well all know Tim is one to talk out of school! So here goes. Women will touch or handle their boobs (with in the context these are never breasts, they are all the other names/words, and when and how you use these words is important). Most people, both men and women never quite get messages that are bluntly told to us. Me, I'm dangerous so I do explain these things. Humans have sound, it comes often as words, but in fact it is sound. Note to all, Angels don't speak, they don't speak because they have no 'God' part in them. The keepers of secrets keep this from you. They say "You have Free Will, free will is secondary, what you have is sound. Sound is the way you create magic, that is magic with the capitol "M". God the creator made Lilith for Adam but Adam was new and did not 'know' but Lilith was created just as Adam was, so when Adam tried to mount (sex) Lilith she spoke the name of God Yahweh and so threw Adam off and became air born (the proper term is called Sky Clad, she was in a state of magic and power. And so escaped Adam. Then Adam gets pissed and so Eve is created by removing one of Adam's ribs and so God makes a mate for Adam. Thus you have the two states of women. Either they are submissive, they are magic with power.
If you don't want the silly Bible story, then there is another universal myth, that of ISIS and the Sun God RA. ISIS works her wilds and gets RA to reveal his sacred name, the name only he and the universal creator know (Magic again). After RA reveals his sacred name to ISIS, she is then empowered to end RA and all living things. In the end she ISIS must explain (initiate) RA into the secret knowledge that women only create life and will only use magic to destroy life, unlike males.
There was a question asked of me a number of times, "Why do you insist in capitalizing certain women's names?" The answer is simple, they are pantheons, which on a simplistic line of thinking (dictionary) are 'virginal' as in they are owned by a man. That idea is dying out in our culture and women are busy doing that.
The word ' pantheons' means more than just a simplistic definition. A pantheons woman is not owned, she is free, free to choose to be a member of the wild wood, a person of Diana (sort of Greek/Roman), a fence sitter, a woman who is outside the enclosed place called the hamlet or town, as in civilization. In the simplest terms she is a witch. She has and can do magic, she is protected by the creator and does and goes the way of Lilith. She can play at being Eve, but be ever cautious as she will always be with her sisters.
These women are pantheons, they are witches, they are free to act as they will because they are not owned by any other human, but especially by any other male human. It is the way tat the world is returning. This is good and difficult because man like RA need to grasp what this is about.
What is the point? Well, if as men you treat women like eves then that is what you get, Eves. But if you embrace women as the children of Diana then you get ISI and a big part of these women are defiantly motivated to act out like an Eve, but never ever forget that they are ISIS and Lilith born.
So what is this all about? Well, in simple terms women can read most men and are able to 'see' the true nature of what is there. But these are women who have the power of Diana, or to put it more universally they are pantheons. It has nothing to do with being 'virginal', it hs to do with being pantheons or women of and having magic. I signify these women who model with me as pantheons by capitalizing their name. KNOX and VADA are both pantheons, they are witches, they have power.
So with that type of woman there is a great truth tat I had to learn, if a woman wants to have sex they express it with body language. If you truly get to know them, then there comes a time when you must engage them directly with physical contact as a male or you will lose them and their interest. I'm speaking now from my experience and it is unique to any and all situations.
I have worked with women as models as both sexual partners but mostly I do not. There are times when you must either have sex with certain women or you will lose them, and this is more the rule than the exception. All great artists know this, it is because they understand the female mind set. Just like men enjoy 'conquests', so the same is with women, it is just that women do not go about it in the same fashion as men do.
For one thing, women get erotic gratification in ways that are nothing like the manners of men. It is all the things you have been told but it is based in one simple principle. Here is the secret that is at the core of all women and is key to any woman who is pantheons. (pantheons women require absolute respect unlike Eves). Women are in a near constant state of perhaps. Just lost most of the boys! LOL!!! So first how men work. They are incredibly simple, men raised in the normal social state have a line. They know exactly where that line is and they will not cross that line. Of course women can move that line in any man if the so wish, it's called changing a man. They simply work at moving that man's line, they make him believe tat line can be moved, that he can change. That is it, men are easy.
Now, women are imposable (to most men), they have no lines, they have vague rule awareness and will mostly follow rules, it is called being in a state of 'perhaps'. They are neither yes or no, they are 'perhaps'. You know all the saying of men, 'Men hope, women decide'. The woman has not yet decided, she is in a state of perhaps.
Even women regards pregnancy, are they or aren't they pregnant. Oh they almost always know if they are, or their not, but they are not sure. But when they are ready to 'feel' it, well the whole probability curve just collapses (Schoenberg's cat, Women can grasp and conceive Quantum easily, they live with in this state all the time, act out their lives in that way all the time). They are pregnant and now they have a state of yes, no more perhaps.
Then comes the point of returning to perhaps evidently. That is what that song tell you, "And the beat goes on." But now everything changes, but nothing changes. That is when their bodies alter and they go into a new realm, back to perhaps and a new way to be and live. AND, this is precisely why women are in a state of perhaps all the time, well most are.
So the BIG point. To understand women and this subject called NUDE photography you must understand the nuancing of 'perhaps', the core of the female psyche. And all is as they say easy peasy!
Now, back to simple, body language. Women will touch their bodies in an erotic fashion but it is more than that, it is unspoken language. Handling their boobs is just one such action. But it is more than just erotic contact. It is non-verbal language. With women there are non-verbal words, raising the arm to show the inside of the arm area (called the arm pit, ugly expression), because women find this extremely arousing as an erogenous area. So showing this is a great turn on for them, it is a form of "come hither". This means that when women openly express a sexual desire vocal, they are essentially screaming at you.
Now this language thing is expected by women from men. Sound weird but it is one of the most powerful tools you have in doing images. Because women expect this then you need to understand how and especially when to use the magic of words. It is a lot like dancing, most women want to be lead by a male in this dance of the nude (figure to use a nice wording) modeling. Some words are clearly taboo, but even these can be used at certain times to get the notion across. If, you have never seen the film Blow Up made in the mid 60's you need to see it and more than once, The film is really NOT about the discovery of a murder by a photographer that is accidentally made (sorry, spoiler alert). It is about men's idea of what girls and being photographed, but more importantly it is about are totally clue less about what trips a woman's trigger. Just watch with the sound off after several viewings and you will see and get how out of sync the women and the photographer are.
Here is another fascinating reality check. Almost all the employees at Playboy are women. But the two key roles are the photographers and the selectors of the final images of the necked woman images. All males and not just males but deeply hetro style males. That after all is what sells the product, the printed package. Guess what, it is not a magazine, it is a journal, like Scientific American. A fully engaged editorial responsible publication. Want to review an old Playboy, any decent library will have a complete catalogue of past issues, and yes you can quote Playboy in a PhD dissertation. Try that with Big One, Hooters, Skin or the rest. Sorry, I guess I do need an editor, but this is the stuff you want, but most don't know most of all this. Tim the tattle tale.
Answer to the question, does Tim 'sleep with' models, yes. Not most but some. Mostly I avoid it, or as my Italian Mafia family background people would say "Hey, there ain't no percentage in it!" And that is the truth. But there are times that it is part of working with some models. It is plain and simple as that. Mostly it is a fools errand, and get you no where. Or as Frank Zappa use to joke "Were only in it for the money", just like some think that I'm only in it for nookie, WRONG!
There is something to know as always, and the culture is shifting a lot. Here is an example from the 60's rock era. It illustrates a part of the scene. Back in the sixties rock era there were some women who got the title of "The Plaster Casters". Never herd of them, not surprised, you really must now your subject and it's history. These women would arrive at the rear of the security area and explain that they were The Plaster Casters, immediately they were let in. They would arouse the boys in the band after the show, then make cast of the band members erect phalluses then complete the whole act and then make a casting of the erection from the moulash (death and life mask castings).
There will always be some kink and taboo around any of these activities. It is the nature of the thing. Are there models who get involved in this, you betcha! Is it now main steam, of course. Do most get involved in this, no, not really. It is now no longer part of the no-no! and fiction of the hidden world. That is what women are changing. The breaking down of the walls tat traditionally surround these things is now changing, and it is for the best of everyone.
The vanilla world is going the way of dinosaurs and the Do-do bird. Soon as Frank app (him again!) put into words on his first album with The Mothers of Invention, Freak Out, "There will come a time when you can even take your clothes off when you dance, wana-wana-wah!"