travelwp Loc: New Jersey

How could Jews do this: for years Jews have treated Hamas as if they were human but with a bad attitude and a different political point of view, when in fact Hamas is a terrorist group that murders innocent humans including babies in cribs and old people who can't hurt anyone and women who are murdered and raped?

I agree with the current Israel government: Hamas must be eliminated.

It's going to be difficult because Hamas has control centers under Hospitals and civilian apartments and they mingle among the civilian population. How does Israel know who is a Palestinian and who is a terrorist ?

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Anybody heard from the PLO?

lbrande

For anyone interested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel

Wars and other conflicts
Israel has been involved in a number of wars and large-scale military operations, including:

1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949) – Started as 6 months of civil war between Jewish and Arab m*****as when the mandate period in Palestine was ending and turned into a regular war after the establishment of Israel and the intervention of several Arab armies. In its conclusion, a set of agreements were signed between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, called the 1949 Armistice Agreements, which established the armistice lines between Israel and its neighbours, also known as the Green Line.
Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s) – Palestinian attacks and reprisal operations carried out by the Israel Defense Forces during the 1950s and 1960s. These actions were in response to constant fedayeen incursions during which Arab guerrillas infiltrated from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan into Israel to carry out attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers. The policy of the reprisal operations was exceptional due to Israel's declared aim of getting a high 'blood cost' among the enemy side which was believed to be necessary in order to deter them from committing future attacks.
Suez Crisis (October 1956) – A military attack on Egypt by Britain, France, and Israel, beginning on 29 October 1956, with the intention to occupy the Sinai Peninsula and to take over the Suez Canal. The attack followed Egypt's decision of 26 July 1956 to nationalize the Suez Canal after the withdrawal of an offer by Britain and the United States to fund the building of the Aswan Dam. Although the Israeli invasion of the Sinai was successful, the United States and USSR forced it to retreat. Even so, Israel managed to re-open the Straits of Tiran and pacified its southern border.
Six-Day War (June 1967) – Fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. Following the war, the territory held by Israel expanded significantly ("The Purple Line") : The West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, Golan Heights from Syria, Sinai and Gaza from Egypt.
War of Attrition (1967–1970) – A limited war fought between the Israeli military and forces of the Egyptian Republic, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization from 1967 to 1970. It was initiated by the Egyptians as a way of recapturing the Sinai from the Israelis, who had been in control of the territory since the mid-1967 Six-Day War. The hostilities ended with a ceasefire signed between the countries in 1970 with frontiers remaining in the same place as when the war began.
Yom Kippur War (October 1973) – Fought from 6 to 26 October 1973 by a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel as a way of recapturing part of the territories which they lost to the Israelis back in the Six-Day War. The war began with a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. Egypt and Syria crossed the cease-fire lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively. Eventually Arab forces were defeated by Israel and there were no significant territorial changes.
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982) – PLO relocate to South Lebanon from Jordan and stage attacks on the Galilee and as a base for international operations. In 1978, Israel launches Operation Litani – the first Israeli large-scale invasion of Lebanon, which was carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in order to expel PLO forces from the territory. Continuing ground and rocket attacks, and Israeli retaliations, eventually escalate into the 1982 War.
1982 Lebanon War (1982) – Began on 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon to expel the PLO from the territory. The Government of Israel ordered the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, by the Abu Nidal Organization and due to the constant terror attacks on northern Israel made by the Palestinian guerrilla organizations which resided in Lebanon. The war resulted in the expulsion of the PLO from Lebanon and created an Israeli Security Zone in southern Lebanon.
South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) – Nearly 15 years of warfare between the Israel Defense Forces and its Lebanese Christian proxy m*****as against Lebanese Muslim guerrilla, led by Iranian-backed Hezbollah, within what was defined by Israelis as the "Security Zone" in South Lebanon.
First Intifada (1987–1993) – First large-scale Palestinian uprising against Israel in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Second Intifada (2000–2005) – Second Palestinian uprising, a period of intensified violence, which began in late September 2000.
2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006) – Began as a military operation in response to the abduction of two Israeli reserve soldiers by the Hezbollah. The operation gradually strengthened, to become a wider confrontation. The principal participants were Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israeli military. The conflict started on 12 July 2006 and continued until a United Nations-brokered ceasefire went into effect on 14 August 2006, though it formally ended on 8 September 2006, when Israel lifted its naval blockade of Lebanon. The war resulted in a stalemate.
Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009) – Three-week armed conflict between Israel and Hamas during the winter of 2008–2009. In an escalation of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Israel responded to ongoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip with military force in an action titled "Operation Cast Lead". Israel opened the attack with a surprise air strike on 27 December 2008. Israel's stated aim was to stop such rocket fire from and the import of arms into Gaza. Israeli forces attacked military and civilian targets, police stations, and government buildings in the opening assault. Israel declared an end to the conflict on 18 January and completed its withdrawal on 21 January 2009.
2012 Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip or Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012) – Military offensive on the Gaza Strip.[1]
2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014) – Military offensive on the Gaza Strip as a response to the collapse of American-sponsored peace talks, attempts by rival Palestinian factions to form a coalition government, the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers, the subsequent kidnapping and murder of a Palestinian teenager, and increased rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas militants.[2]
Syrian Civil War and the Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war.
2021 Israel–Palestine crisis or Operation Guardian of the Walls (May 2021) – There were r**ts between Jews and Arabs in Israeli cities. Also Hamas in Gaza sent military rockets into Israel and Iron Dome intercepted most dangerous rockets. Israel attacked targets in Gaza.
2023 Israel–Hamas war (October 2023- )

One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID

Who cares ? K**l them all let Allah sort them out, it is his will as they always say. No sympathy at all.

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

Israel in distress since 1948.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

New theme for you? Growing tired of whining about anything to do with Afro-Americans?

Good for you!

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

If you are to be believed, you are a barbarian.

One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID

Solves the problem, you can't reason with them, their religion doesn't allow it. You are an infidel, you are nothing.

lbrande

Every Israeli is a witness, a victim and a mourner

Halfway through an interview with a man named Daniel whose brother has been missing since the assault, he stopped to ask a question of his own: “Are you okay?”

Linda Dayan Linda Dayan


Every Israeli is a witness, a victim and a mourner

At the news conference for families of missing and abducted Israelis on Friday, I finally cried.

It was after the elevator ride from the underground parking garage (safe from the reach of missiles) where the event was held to the lobby of the building. Packed in next to me was a woman whose name tag identified her as family of a missing person.

She started to break down. I held her until the elevator door opened.

Once in the lobby, I made my way to a couch – and six days’ worth of tears began to trickle. Slowly at first, until it became the kind of ugly sob that is impossible to hide. Also on the couch was a foreign journalist, a photographer, who was torn between trying to comfort me and pretending to ignore me for the sake of my own dignity.

Eventually, he offered me a hug and asked if I was a family member of a missing or kidnapped person. No, I sheepishly told him, I’m a reporter too.

He smiled and said he was lucky he couldn’t understand anything they said during the Hebrew press conference, and that even though he’s been doing this for decades, it doesn’t get any easier.

“Sometimes, dealing with other people’s feelings is the hardest part,” he said.

I understood what he meant, but it still felt strange. These were not “other people’s feelings” at all. Every scream in that press conference, and from that week, felt like it came from my own throat.

It isn’t just the proximity to disaster: any of our loved ones could have gone to the south for that holiday weekend. And it isn’t just the scant degrees of separation, either.

More than that, it is the fact that every single one of us was and is the intended target of Hamas’ atrocities. Religious or secular, right or left, Ashken**i or Mizrahi, Jewish or Muslim or Christian or Druze, or none of the above – as far as the terrorists who breached the border saw it, it was supposed to be us. We recognize each other as members of the same victim pool. We are part of the same nation. We all feel the collective survivor’s guilt.

This extends to the Diaspora as well. Even my sister, who has lived all her life in New Jersey, lost someone: a friend from a high school leadership program who made the deadly “error” of attending a music festival. It is impossible for Jews the world over not to see themselves in the photos of the abducted and the slain – the grandparents and children who remind us of our own; the smiles of the young adults, murdered, missing and abducted, who fill our social media feeds. Hamas sees them that way too, and has made clear that they are also the organization’s marks.

Every Israeli is a witness, a victim and a mourner, and is aching accordingly. Sympathy for the neighbor has been overtaken by empathy for the brother. Halfway through one of my interviews after the conference – with a man named Daniel whose brother has been missing since the assault – he stopped to ask a question of his own: “Are you okay?”

He talked about police officers and first responders who are constantly wading through the human toll of war, their jobs now the work of morticians. “If you’re reporting on this every day, how are you coping?”

And he listened, because my pain was his pain too.

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

Israel is right: Hamas has to be eliminated from the earth.

steve03 Loc: long Lsland

If Israel destroy's Hamas then problem is who will replace them? These wars have been going on in the Middle East for seventy some odd years and every time a group is destroyed a more evil group replaces them. Gaza's population is more the 50% children, are they going to be the next terrorist population? The rest of the Arab world doesn't want them, so they gravitate than even more terrifying terrorist group and in twenty to thirty years this will happen again.. Really does anyone have an answer to this continuing problem?

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

70 years? Been going on for 1000's*. "Jews" began calling themselves that in the 1000 years BCE, having only one God, they were chastised for not following many. They have always been there, but have been under genocidal attack or forced to leave many times. It's tradition to k**l them ( any anybody else who doesn't;t believe exactly as you do) for the religions that surround them, from Assyrian, Greeks and Romans, Germans, right up until today. There are Jewish coins, kings, castles, temples and history there. Go ahead and show me a single Palestinian coin, name a single king, or describe a single kingdom... its a trick question- there aren't any, their Bedouin ancestors traveled, they called no place home except where their tents were pitched.

So asking who will replace hamas is stating the obvious. Blame the victim for existing, as that was all that has ever been necessary. What you see now is the frustration in the fact that they dare to defend themselves. ... Ignoring the fact that most around them would never want them to make peace. Hamas and Iran drove a stake through normalized relationships that were developing nicely in the area. Attacking an outpost or military formation would never do the trick. You have to really tick them off for them to react in a way that is useful. So k**l families, kids and grandmothers who survived the N**is, burn them alive, or torture them slowly, d**g their naked bodies through the streets, post their murder on social media and make them hit you back hard. Then cry because "you had to do it - they made us". Because everything is going to their plan- you should celebrate with them and be so proud.

I ridicule those who ignore the tenet of the hamas charter**. This all fits precisely to that, and it alone makes them the only ones to blame.

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism#First_century

** https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/the-middle-east/Pages/The%20Hamas-Covenant.aspx#

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

How come some countries allow many religions to coexist peacefully, but around Israel they have to k**l each other periodically?

lbrande

Because of 3,000 years of historical habit.

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

That being the case, why should the world give a s**t about their situation?