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Oct 2, 2023 08:13:20   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Delderby wrote:
BUT you have not allowed for further pre-process adjustments that could have first been made in camera, by those who better understand their camera than you seem to. Your argument is therefore faulted.

You are wrong. I certainly did consider and select the camera's pre-processing adjustments. In terms of noise filtering the camera only provides three different intensity levels of poor quality. At all three levels the noise filtering remains sub-poor because of the camera's requirement to complete the task quickly. There is no noise filtering option in the camera that isn't poor quality.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:18:44   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
bkwaters wrote:
If there will be no post processing performed ever, than one must shoot in jpg in order to post or print the photos.

While this has nothing to do with your question, a low iso, correctly exposed and sharp photo will be no better if shot in RAW compared to JPG.

That depends on the specific camera brand and the camera's embedded processing software. You can't claim that as a blanket statement applying to all camera makes and models.
bkwaters wrote:
As the computer and computer software have more processing power and time, flawed photos can post-processed better if shot in RAW with the post-processing often resulting in a superior image compared to a SOOC JPG. But again, that was not your question.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:23:33   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
We a photographers are all striving the have our pictures stand out. We have some of us who think the answer is in fixing in raw and others who feel it's it the taking and can use in jpg is OK. They will never agree. You can also fix in jpg (but some say not well).
Do your own thing and develop your own stile.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:29:48   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Imagine yourself as a successful photographer. Are you shooting in JPEG?

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Oct 2, 2023 08:33:54   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
YES

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Oct 2, 2023 08:36:40   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
trapper1 wrote:
If there is no intention of altering an image after taking it, is there any advantage in shooting RAW vs. JPG, such as greater sharpness, etc.?


Trapper1


If there is never going to be any postprocessing then raw is not an option (unless you are never going to view the image). Jpg is required (unless your camera can give you another viewable format). While it is true that a raw file contains a camera-processed jpg preview, processing is required to extract the jpg preview. An extra step that would not be necessary if you export a jpg from the camera. (Also I have been led to believe that some cameras include a jpg preview with a reduced size in their raw files. My cameras supply a full-size jpg preview in the raw file so I can't confirm that).

However, I question your premise. You should ALWAYS consider that some postprocessing MAY be necessary, in which case you should shoot raw whenever your camera is capable of producing a raw file.

It is true that for many images (if not most) a jpg directly from the camera can be sufficient as long as the camera settings are optimum. That means your have to have the camera settings optimum. For every shot. That means you have to spend time diddling with your camera settings before every shot. It means your exposure has to be optimum for every shot. That means the camera has to be set for the proper metering environment for every shot. This all means you will not always get a good postprocessing-free image unless you set up the shot beforehand. Of course, sometimes you will get lucky. But you don't want to trust to luck for all your photos.

Over the last couple decades much of my photography has dealt with events. Events are dynamic. Things happen quickly. I don't usually have time to even look to see what my settings are before taking the shot. For that reason I always shoot raw and assume that postprocessing will be necessary.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:39:30   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
trapper1 wrote:
If there is no intention of altering an image after taking it, is there any advantage in shooting RAW vs. JPG, such as greater sharpness, etc.?


Trapper1


99% of all photos can be improved with a bit of post processing. I shoot RAW except sometimes when making a utilitarian photo (e.g. a picture of a part to send to a vendor).

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Oct 2, 2023 08:40:05   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Picture Taker wrote:
We a photographers are all striving the have our pictures stand out. We have some of us who think the answer is in fixing in raw and others who feel it's it the taking and can use in jpg is OK. They will never agree. You can also fix in jpg (but some say not well).
Do your own thing and develop your own stile.


Post processing is not just "fixing", which implies correcting flaws in capturing the image. There are things you can do in post which can't be done in the camera to enhance the image. Like many, I started out shooting JPEG. Now that I have learned to process RAW, I wish I had shot them that way as I now know how I could have improved them. I know some say they don't want to spend hours doing PP, but often just a couple minutes can make a big difference.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:43:38   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
trapper1 wrote:
If there is no intention of altering an image after taking it, is there any advantage in shooting RAW vs. JPG, such as greater sharpness, etc.?


Trapper1

No.

You might regret it later on but that your issue.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:44:40   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
OK we do what bye want is what I am saying. I shot Film at 10 ASA and went to JPG and RAW then started to use the JPG and eventually stopped the RAW. That is me we all play the game differently and that bis what make photography what it is. DO YOUR THING.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:52:38   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Post processing is not just "fixing", which implies correcting flaws in capturing the image. There are things you can do in post which can't be done in the camera to enhance the image. Like many, I started out shooting JPEG. Now that I have learned to process RAW, I wish I had shot them that way as I now know how I could have improved them. I know some say they don't want to spend hours doing PP, but often just a couple minutes can make a big difference.


Occasionally I get an image which requires no fixing of white balance or brightness/contrast or simple things so it could be used directly. However, most of my images need some cropping to improve the composition. I know of no camera that can do the cropping before exporting the image. For such an image postprocessing is required. Cameras can output images with a selection of aspect ratios but they only allow a fixed set of aspect ratios.

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Oct 2, 2023 08:58:47   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
trapper1 wrote:
If there is no intention of altering an image after taking it, is there any advantage in shooting RAW vs. JPG, such as greater sharpness, etc.?


Trapper1


As eluded to by Ysarex, IF you have enough hardware/memory, enough software, enough knowledge and experience to run the software, enough time and patience in PP-ing, then , IF you look CLOSE, you may perceive a gain in what MIGHT appear as "sharpness" ....IF you put them side by side. So, as a practical matter it DEPENDS on a lot of IF's - but the POTENTIAL does exist !

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Oct 2, 2023 09:00:57   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Whether you're successful or not, you'll never actually feel the joy of accomplishment unless you shoot in RAW.


Accomplishing what? I presume you mean the ability to use a computer, which has nothing to do with shooting photographs.

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Oct 2, 2023 09:08:23   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
imagemeister wrote:
As eluded to by Ysarex, IF you have enough hardware/memory, enough software, enough knowledge and experience to run the software, enough time and patience in PP-ing, then , IF you look CLOSE, you may perceive a gain in what might appear as "sharpness" ....IF you put them side by side.

AND it really is camera make/model dependent. All of our cameras do not use the same embedded processing software. There are real differences. At low ISO values my Nikon makes a very good JPEG that's hard for me to beat in terms of the basic processing: demosaicing, input profile, sharpening and fine detail rendition, lens profile, contrast and tone response. I can't say that's equally true of all of my cameras.

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Oct 2, 2023 09:12:43   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Delderby wrote:
Accomplishing what? I presume you mean the ability to use a computer, which has nothing to do with shooting photographs.


If you don't shoot RAW, you're not a photographer.

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