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Sep 7, 2023 14:20:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Ollieboy wrote:
I have 4 ssd drives in my tower without ever having a problem in 7 years. Installed them myself.

He was referring to HDD thermal emissions not SSDs.
Different levels thermal emissions......

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Sep 7, 2023 14:24:25   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Longshadow wrote:


When the Color Computer first came out it had a membrane keyboard, ARRRG!!! YUCK!
A short while later some company marketed what we called (nicknamed) a "Chicklet" keyboard.
The keys were white squares about the size of Chicklets, with black letters on them. It was a real keyboard and a drop-in replacement. OH so much nicer to work with!
I'll bet they sold a ton of those keyboards!
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I remember both of those.

I think the second laptop I had was a pretty good machine with a keyboard that fit my hand pretty well but the letters on the keys wore off. Good thing I had taken typing in High School so I don't have to see the keyboard to type.

My father had an old manual typewriter. When I got a new job in '82 I took it to work. One day there was a power outage and I was in great demand since all the secretaries had electric typewriters and were a long way from being able to run a manual. Fortunately the power outage didn't last long. That typewriter got donated to the local historical society for their museum. So far I have avoided that fate personally.

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Sep 7, 2023 14:35:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I remember both of those.
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I (being a Component Test Engineer) was SO familiar with the guts of the CoCo I upgraded the memory from 16K to 64K, the limit at the time. Had to fly and daisy-chain an address lead on the eight chips. I DID eventually get the disk controller cartridge and a pair of 8" floppy drives.
(There were a couple of us that were Computer Geeks WELL before the phrase was coined. Now I don't care what's on the mother board...... I buy OTS computers, and use them.)

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Sep 7, 2023 14:49:58   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Longshadow wrote:
I (being a Component Test Engineer) was SO familiar with the guts of the CoCo I upgraded the memory from 16K to 64K, the limit at the time. Had to fly and daisy-chain an address lead on the eight chips.
(There were a couple of us that were Computer Geeks WELL before the phrase was coined. Now I don't care what's on the mother board...... I buy OTS computers, and use them.)


I had an ASR33 so I built an 8080 machine into it. Didn't do much but it was a nice exercise. Same here. I buy computers and sometimes add stuff to them, although haven't done that for a while. My Win10 machine is getting pretty old. A laptop and the battery is dead. Runs on the charger. If I unplug it, the battery runs out in about 3 seconds. I think it's from 2015. Replaced the battery once and put a larger HDD in a while back. Still running, more or less. Not worth doing anything more to it at this point.

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Sep 7, 2023 14:54:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I had an ASR33 so I built an 8080 machine into it. Didn't do much but it was a nice exercise. Same here. I buy computers and sometimes add stuff to them, although haven't done that for a while. My Win10 machine is getting pretty old. A laptop and the battery is dead. Runs on the charger. If I unplug it, the battery runs out in about 3 seconds. I think it's from 2015. Replaced the battery once and put a larger HDD in a while back. Still running, more or less. Not worth doing anything more to it at this point.
I had an ASR33 so I built an 8080 machine into it.... (show quote)


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Sep 7, 2023 15:14:02   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
kufengler wrote:
I got over that thinking back in the late 1990's, when I saw 3d Solid Modeling software demonstrated on an HP laptop. (Worked there 32 years, till 2009.
That's what I use, an HP Laptop, 32mb Ram, 1Tb SSD, 24" monitor attached, an 3Tb of external HDD, and an external CD drive just in case i need that.


Beautiful setup 😍😍😍😍

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Sep 7, 2023 16:05:48   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
crbuckjr wrote:
My desktop PC is old and way too slow. I want a good one mainly for managing and editing photos. I use Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Topaz AI (Denise, etc) have 45 mb images……100,000 images…..etc.

Would like to upgrade to a desktop that will last a while. Want to stay with PC.

Would appreciate knowing about good reviews of such desktops, other sources of help, or specific recommendations.

Thanks much

Chuck


I've had several refurb/scratch & dent Dells over the years. They include a same as new warranty and will save you some money. My current (well over five years old) XPS has 64gig of RAM, i7 processor, fast GPU, one SDD and one HDD. Replaced the power supply once... no other problems, but it's Win 10 and won't run Win 11, so I'm thinking of a replacement in the next few years. I'll go here:

https://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=2215&c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&ref=cpcl_lp-us-outlet-tab-desktop-xps0_cta_link_shopxps

Good luck!

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Sep 7, 2023 17:49:52   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 

You can add an external optical drive with a USB connection. They start at around twenty bucks and are fine for occasional or light use, but I'd never build a PC without an internal optical workhorse.

jerryc41 wrote:
Someone may have mentioned this, but having an SSD as the C drive with a large HDD for data is ideal. If you get a new computer, you can simply move the D drive from the old to the new.

~Sigh.~ Oh Jerry, now I get it. Now I see how you cause yourself so much grief.

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Sep 7, 2023 17:51:53   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
pithydoug wrote:
Why a desktop? I just got a I9 Lenovo laptop, rocket fast, 32 GB mem and architected for 64, yada yada and I process the same programs as you. The 45MP images suggests an R5? I have a 1 TB SSD C drive and 2 4TB SSD external. One is backup. It goes where I go. If you not mobile then by all means go for the desktop. Being retired and moving around it replaced the dog. Simply food for thought.


Laptop CPUs and GPUs aren't as good as those on a desktop. The good stuff uses too much power and generates too much heat.

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Sep 7, 2023 17:54:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Desert Gecko wrote:
Laptop CPUs and GPUs aren't as good as those on a desktop. The good stuff uses too much power and generates too much heat.

Desktops are usually faster because of the "good stuff".

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Sep 7, 2023 18:01:07   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Desktops are mis-named anyway. All the desktop computers I've owned sat on the floor under or beside the desk. I never had enough room on the desktop to put a desktop.

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Sep 7, 2023 18:28:36   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
crbuckjr wrote:
My desktop PC is old and way too slow. I want a good one mainly for managing and editing photos. I use Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Topaz AI (Denise, etc) have 45 mb images……100,000 images…..etc.

Would like to upgrade to a desktop that will last a while. Want to stay with PC.

Would appreciate knowing about good reviews of such desktops, other sources of help, or specific recommendations.

Thanks much

Chuck

Intel CPUs still outperform AMD CPUs overall with Adobe photo apps, according to Puget Systems. I urge you to peruse the Puget Systems website for articles and benchmarks. They're easy to find, and you'll get plain, easy-to-read scientific data rather than anecdotal recommendations (like mine).

I'd probably go with a 13th-gen Intel, such as the i7-13700k. Intel's 12th-gen chips are power hogs. Also, Intel's 14th-gen will use the same socket, so there is an upgrade path later on.

I'd go with DDR5 RAM (the aforementioned Intel chips support both DDR4 and DDR5). DDR5 has finally come way down in price, and performance is, as one would expect, better. I'm happy with 32GB of RAM for now, but if in doubt, 64GB isn't unreasonable. It really depends on what you do while running your Adobe apps. Specs you read on how much RAM you need tell you for Adobe apps only -- not those apps plus all the other apps you have open.

For storage, I'd get at least one m.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 for the OS. My current machine has three m.2 sockets, and my next will have at least four. This is because these drives are only now becoming reasonably priced in larger capacities. The sweet spot is still 2TB, but 4TB drives are coming down. If you need more than 8-10TB of storage, you'll be glad for the extra sockets for an easy storage upgrade. For starters, a 2TB PCIe 4.0 for Windows and another 2TB (even if it's the slower PCIe 3.0) for data might do. I currently have three 2TB NVMe drives plus a 6TB snail on a SATA hookup.

Finally, I'd consult Puget and also Adobe regarding a GPU (video card) to make sure I get one that works well now and will for a few years, while also making sure I don't needlessly overspend. You don't need a $1,000 card (nor even a $500 card). I've read (on Puget, I think) that after a certain level of GPU, any performance gains are incremental. And that was a surprisingly budget GPU -- but that might have changed a bit by now.

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Sep 7, 2023 20:03:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Desktops are mis-named anyway. All the desktop computers I've owned sat on the floor under or beside the desk. I never had enough room on the desktop to put a desktop.


True...

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Sep 7, 2023 21:08:03   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Longshadow wrote:

True...


My wife's new iMac 24 is a true desktop.... Only a screen on a stand and a lot of engineering for that M1 to operate...

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Sep 7, 2023 21:36:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
MrBob wrote:
My wife's new iMac 24 is a true desktop.... Only a screen on a stand and a lot of engineering for that M1 to operate...


Yea, a couple of companies make them that way.

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