I set up my Sony A7R4 alpha camera with a Sony 70-200mm, F2.8, telephoto lens, the way Australian Sony Ambassador, Mark Galer recommended for shooting high action outdoor sports. After seeing the resulting image, I have to sing the praise of both Sony and Mark Galer. My attached image is so amazingly clear taken from over 220 feet away and displays such interesting body language and facial expressions of the players, that I couldn't delete it. It was taken from a position outside the entire width of a 220-foot-wide outdoor soccer pitch with only a 200mm maximum telephoto lens. The common rules of composition would suggest that I delete the image because a defender was partially blocking the camera's view of the two subjects. A second reason was that the ball had bounced off yet another defender to the far-left side of the frame and wasn't near the two subjects. Yet the expressions on the two subjects faces and their body language is so revealing that viewers will feel their intense battle over the ball, which is the essence of soccer. Also one can easily see each of the well-worn individual cleats on the two subject's feet which is amazing at that distance. I hope you enjoy the image I created and feel free to make comments on how I can improve my image. Shooter41
Nice action shot.
To me the "rules" are only guidelines.
Like sometimes the horizon in the "middle" or the subject "centered" works well.
I've heard it said that true artists learn the rules thoroughly. That's when they can break them.
Shooter41 wrote:
I set up my Sony A7R4 alpha camera with a Sony 70-200mm, F2.8, telephoto lens, the way Australian Sony Ambassador, Mark Galer recommended for shooting high action outdoor sports. After seeing the resulting image, I have to sing the praise of both Sony and Mark Galer. My attached image is so amazingly clear taken from over 220 feet away and displays such interesting body language and facial expressions of the players, that I couldn't delete it. It was taken from a position outside the entire width of a 220-foot-wide outdoor soccer pitch with only a 200mm maximum telephoto lens. The common rules of composition would suggest that I delete the image because a defender was partially blocking the camera's view of the two subjects. A second reason was that the ball had bounced off yet another defender to the far-left side of the frame and wasn't near the two subjects. Yet the expressions on the two subjects faces and their body language is so revealing that viewers will feel their intense battle over the ball, which is the essence of soccer. Also one can easily see each of the well-worn individual cleats on the two subject's feet which is amazing at that distance. I hope you enjoy the image I created and feel free to make comments on how I can improve my image. Shooter41
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Excellent shot of the second most boring "sport" in existence. Curling comes first.
cahale wrote:
Excellent shot of the second most boring "sport" in existence. Curling comes first.
Not if the woodchucks are curling.
joecichjr
Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
Shooter41 wrote:
I set up my Sony A7R4 alpha camera with a Sony 70-200mm, F2.8, telephoto lens, the way Australian Sony Ambassador, Mark Galer recommended for shooting high action outdoor sports. After seeing the resulting image, I have to sing the praise of both Sony and Mark Galer. My attached image is so amazingly clear taken from over 220 feet away and displays such interesting body language and facial expressions of the players, that I couldn't delete it. It was taken from a position outside the entire width of a 220-foot-wide outdoor soccer pitch with only a 200mm maximum telephoto lens. The common rules of composition would suggest that I delete the image because a defender was partially blocking the camera's view of the two subjects. A second reason was that the ball had bounced off yet another defender to the far-left side of the frame and wasn't near the two subjects. Yet the expressions on the two subjects faces and their body language is so revealing that viewers will feel their intense battle over the ball, which is the essence of soccer. Also one can easily see each of the well-worn individual cleats on the two subject's feet which is amazing at that distance. I hope you enjoy the image I created and feel free to make comments on how I can improve my image. Shooter41
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Talk about great action and emotion perfectly captured - Here it is 🔟🔟🔟🔟🔟
Rules are made to be broken???
Don
Your title suggests (...okay, states) that you've somehow broken one or more of the rules of composition, then in the body of your text, after describing your gear and Gaier and the distances involved and facial expressions and where the ball was (and/or where the ball was not), you devote a sentence to the presumed (?) "compositional rule" you feel you broke, then secondarily mention the bit about the ball. How, pray tell, is it the breaking of a 'rule' if (in either a sports action, a people in general, or virtually any other genera of imagery/photography) when/if an element within the confines of the frame (the sum total of which, and the arrangement thereof, forms, delineates, and constitutes what-all results in "a composition", regardless whether that arrangement be a "defender [that is] partially blocking the camera's view of the two subjects", an out-of-focus leaf in a corner of a landscape, or an unresolved color or tone that is nowhere made whole (metaphorically speaking, since a metaphor must have both a vehicle and a tenon in order for it to be metaphoric, as opposed to the pair being merely random colors and/or accidental elements).
Compositionally, your image would've been 'improved' had you leveled the playing field. Literally. Beyond that, had you 'placed' the faces of your facing players at equal distances from the right and left sides of the frame, you'd have achieved better balance in the shot. Compositionally, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the fact that an opposing player's back is shown. If anything, it strengthens what could easily be considered be a contextual, thematic theme of sports photography: conflict.
<dammit! please see the edit/revision below.>
joecichjr wrote:
Talk about great action and emotion perfectly captured - Here it is 🔟🔟🔟🔟🔟
Hi again, Joe! There you go being a gentleman again. I'm glad to be back on UHH after a heart attack on 11-11-22, open heart surgery five days later to put a cow valve in my heart and finding new appreciation for my life, my love of photography and my gratitude for having a friend like you. Shooter41
Dear Cany123...Yeah. The picture looks better with the fence in the background leveled and the two player subjects centered. I think that the image looks worse with the defender with his back to the camera cut in half. So, you win two to one in my book. What do you think of my second edit compared to my first edit? Shooter41
Second edit with fence straightened and subjects centered
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First edit with crooked fence and full backside of defender intact
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Shooter41 wrote:
Dear Cany123...Yeah. The picture looks better with the fence in the background leveled and the two player subjects centered. I think that the image looks worse with the defender with his back to the camera cut in half. So, you win two to one in my book. What do you think of my second edit compared to my first edit? Shooter41
Your first edit does indeed break that time-honored ***rule*** about cutting the limbs/bodies of people --even people that aren't necessarily the "subject" per se, and whose backs are 'thematically' oot-a-focus backs atcha-- off awkwardly, so no, that one doesn't work. Not even a little bit.
Your second edit is "better" though. Despite the fact that the playing field still isn't level. Then again, maybe the disquieting sense that's introduced by the playing field being off-kilter a degree or two could be seen as more a feature than a bug, y'know? In the sense that --player-wise-- it is a two against one competition after all, and the "good guy" (the kicker with the clearly most energetic mien/position) is at least 'allowed' to kick 'downhill' a bit. Either that or the soccer field was just built on a 1.5 degree downhill sloping grade, and whatever I've said doesn't apply.
<edit:> OOPS! Mea culpa, maxima culpa! Our hero, in a Sisyphusian sort of way, is kicking UPHILL!!! O, krikey, NO!
cahale wrote:
Excellent shot of the second most boring "sport" in existence. Curling comes first.
If you do not understand the game you might consider it boring. But there are other more boring, Golf, Cup stacking, bowling, cornhole, horseshoes. Even wall paper hanging, whoops not a sport but I could not resist.
Very nice. 61 mp com es in handy, hey? I don't own a Sony but might purchase one & have watched a few of his vids in the past. How did you set up or what are your settings on the camera?
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