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Aug 16, 2023 22:24:58   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
A. T. wrote:
Once again I come to my UHH family for advice. My wife and I will be traveling to Wyoming for three weeks starting September 7th to enjoy that wonderful place once again. I am an avid wildlife and landscape photographer but would like to photograph the night skies. I have been reading and watching videos on the subject and I came across a few who were talking about the use of a star tracker for better image quality of the stars and possibly the milky way. I know absolutely nothing about a star tracker and would like to get input from you guys and gals about the subject as well as the need, or not, for a star tracker. I have professional equipment and an assortment of fast lenses. What is your opinion and or advice on the subject? Thanks again for my very valuable family in this forum.
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I have the iOptron Sky Guider Pro. I really like it a lot but then I’ve not used any others to compare. I strongly urge you to check out Peter Zelinka’s channel. This video he talks about the tracker I have, but check his channel because he has videos that compare different trackers etc.

https://youtu.be/jssf2ffHYbc

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Aug 16, 2023 23:46:04   #
jcboy3
 
A. T. wrote:
Once again I come to my UHH family for advice. My wife and I will be traveling to Wyoming for three weeks starting September 7th to enjoy that wonderful place once again. I am an avid wildlife and landscape photographer but would like to photograph the night skies. I have been reading and watching videos on the subject and I came across a few who were talking about the use of a star tracker for better image quality of the stars and possibly the milky way. I know absolutely nothing about a star tracker and would like to get input from you guys and gals about the subject as well as the need, or not, for a star tracker. I have professional equipment and an assortment of fast lenses. What is your opinion and or advice on the subject? Thanks again for my very valuable family in this forum.
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As long as you are going to use fast wide angle primes for your shooting, I recommend looking at Move Shoot Move. Get the tracker and the smartphone adapter (which makes approximate polar alignment a breeze; not completely accurate but a great substitute).

Then get the tables for Milky Way visibility from capturetheatlas.com, and a couple of smartphone apps for use with the MSM tracker.

Not a huge investment (a few hundred). To make your pics stand out, pay attention to what's on the ground. Maybe do a workshop.

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Aug 17, 2023 00:03:01   #
MDI Mainer
 
I concur that the Move-Shoot-Move star tracker works fine with a fast wide-angle lens, but it's not for a big tele lens, or a bulky old DSLR for that matter. And it's very reasonably priced (as far as trackers go).

https://www.moveshootmove.com/collections/move-shoot-move-rotator/products/msm-rotator-for-star-tracking-time-lapse-panorama-photography

In lieu of a star tracker, you can use image stacking software to combine multiple shots into a single image. You can do this manually in Photoshop, but I'd recommend dedicated software such as DeepSkyStacker. In some ways this is an easier route, since you don't have to worry about aligning the tracker with Polaris.

https://astrobackyard.com/astrophotography-image-stacking-software/

There are plenty of free or nominal-cost video tutorials available. I can recommend the astrophotography course from

https://learn.iphotography.com/

Lastly, this book is a good resource if you prefer written materials:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594858381/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Aug 17, 2023 02:01:06   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
I concur that the Move-Shoot-Move star tracker works fine with a fast wide-angle lens, but it's not for a big tele lens, or a bulky old DSLR for that matter. And it's very reasonably priced (as far as trackers go).

https://www.moveshootmove.com/collections/move-shoot-move-rotator/products/msm-rotator-for-star-tracking-time-lapse-panorama-photography

In lieu of a star tracker, you can use image stacking software to combine multiple shots into a single image. You can do this manually in Photoshop, but I'd recommend dedicated software such as DeepSkyStacker. In some ways this is an easier route, since you don't have to worry about aligning the tracker with Polaris.

https://astrobackyard.com/astrophotography-image-stacking-software/

There are plenty of free or nominal-cost video tutorials available. I can recommend the astrophotography course from

https://learn.iphotography.com/

Lastly, this book is a good resource if you prefer written materials:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594858381/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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The easiest stacker SW that has little or no learning curve is sequator. And its free.
See: https://sites.google.com/view/sequator/
Lots of YouTube Videos can be found on using it such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZtoX5aBI8E

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Aug 17, 2023 08:03:08   #
Canisdirus
 
You are on vacation with your family...

Buy the star tracker...now...so you can become familiar with it.

The tracker removes a heck of a lot of time and work on your part manually.

So...you can be standing in the dark...timing everything...the process to get really good images is complicated...lots of shots...with processing time in between...with extra shots of complete darkness.

Or...you can set up the tracker...sit back and have a beer...be with your family...on your vacation.

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Aug 17, 2023 08:54:47   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Start with the Rule of 500 or better yet the NPF Rule.

Take the camera body(s) you plan on using, tripod & lens(es) find a place that is as dark as possible & experiment. Keep a note pad with what each lens on what specific body is capable of time wise with out blurring. Key word of advice...backUp batteries.., & depending on your temperature...hand warmers & rubber bands to hold them in place on the lens barrel, remote shutter switch...
Look into "focusonstars.com"...I'm not saying to buy it

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Aug 17, 2023 09:09:11   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
AT- With high quality fast lenses and good tripod you can accomplish a great deal at moderately high iso s like 1600 and 3200. Most of Wyoming offers remarkably dark skies, especially if you are coming from the East coast. Trackers do allow you to capture even more detail at lesser noise levels. For wider images they are fairly easy to set up but if you are trying to use longer lenses to get deep sky objects they become highly fiddly. If combining terrestial objects with the sky then you can easily get a 1 stop advantage, beyond that you will be needing to invest additional time at the computer.

I support your preliminary decision not to go this route. Note...if you use a higher resolution body, alter the exposure rule described by others to the 300-350 range. The camera will resolve and record far more than what your eyes can see. If you hear any chatter about northern lights being active try a 10 sec exposure facing north/northeast wide open at 1600/3200 and see if the camera picks up anything unusual.

Night images are a lot of fun to play with. Strikingly fewer crowds. Even half a moon will really illuminate the scene. You will be able to record some scenes even just by starlight. Be open to light from Jupiter casting shadows. Focussing skills are critical! You should practice using live view to focus on very dim distant light sources before the trip. Everything needs to be on manual, including white balance. For heavens sake, shoot RAW.

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Aug 17, 2023 09:43:07   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
If you’re only looking at shooting celestial bodies then a tracker is handy, but I think the best Milky Way shots are those that incorporate landscape features in the foreground. For those you don’t want a tracker. You’ll want a fairly wide lens, hopefully f/2.8 or faster and possibly a flashlight to light paint the foreground objects. It’s really something tough to practice unless you have someplace local with low light pollution. I’m hoping to shoot the Milky Way from the Oregon coast next Tuesday if it’s clear.

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Aug 17, 2023 10:04:49   #
donspears Loc: Joshua, TX
 
A. T. wrote:
Once again I come to my UHH family for advice. My wife and I will be traveling to Wyoming for three weeks starting September 7th to enjoy that wonderful place once again. I am an avid wildlife and landscape photographer but would like to photograph the night skies. I have been reading and watching videos on the subject and I came across a few who were talking about the use of a star tracker for better image quality of the stars and possibly the milky way. I know absolutely nothing about a star tracker and would like to get input from you guys and gals about the subject as well as the need, or not, for a star tracker. I have professional equipment and an assortment of fast lenses. What is your opinion and or advice on the subject? Thanks again for my very valuable family in this forum.
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There are several manufactures of star tracking devises. I have 2 made by iOptron (sky tracker for smaller camera and sku guider for heavier camera). Both of these work great at tracking the earths movement allowing for much longer exposures. The sky tracker is around $480 and the sky guider is $548 currently on sale at ioptron.com.

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Aug 17, 2023 10:28:12   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
A. T. wrote:
Once again I come to my UHH family for advice. My wife and I will be traveling to Wyoming for three weeks starting September 7th to enjoy that wonderful place once again. I am an avid wildlife and landscape photographer but would like to photograph the night skies. I have been reading and watching videos on the subject and I came across a few who were talking about the use of a star tracker for better image quality of the stars and possibly the milky way. I know absolutely nothing about a star tracker and would like to get input from you guys and gals about the subject as well as the need, or not, for a star tracker. I have professional equipment and an assortment of fast lenses. What is your opinion and or advice on the subject? Thanks again for my very valuable family in this forum.
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Here’s an interesting read about Pentax’s Astrotracer feature

https://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/explore/astro/

Stan

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Aug 17, 2023 11:13:20   #
MDI Mainer
 
JimH123 wrote:
The easiest stacker SW that has little or no learning curve is sequator. And its free.
See: https://sites.google.com/view/sequator/
Lots of YouTube Videos can be found on using it such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZtoX5aBI8E


Thanks. I've used that in the past too. Worked well, but couldn't remember the name!

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Aug 17, 2023 11:38:39   #
Mojaveflyer Loc: Denver, CO
 
The 500 Rule is 500 divided by the length of your lens. This photo was done with a 14 mm lens, ISO 3200, for 20 seconds. That's lightning at the bottom of the Milky Way not using a tracker. I also use a another tracker that is less expensive. It's a Omegon Mini-Track LX-3 that goes for about $200. It's a mechanical device, not electric. You would need to practice with it but it does work well.


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Aug 17, 2023 11:48:42   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
If you’re only looking at shooting celestial bodies then a tracker is handy, but I think the best Milky Way shots are those that incorporate landscape features in the foreground. For those you don’t want a tracker. You’ll want a fairly wide lens, hopefully f/2.8 or faster and possibly a flashlight to light paint the foreground objects. It’s really something tough to practice unless you have someplace local with low light pollution. I’m hoping to shoot the Milky Way from the Oregon coast next Tuesday if it’s clear.
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When I shoot with my tracker, I shoot the foreground separately (usually during Blue Hour), then blend in PS. I shoot the sky and foreground from exact same location.

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Aug 17, 2023 12:08:27   #
Canisdirus
 
Basil wrote:
When I shoot with my tracker, I shoot the foreground separately (usually during Blue Hour), then blend in PS. I shoot the sky and foreground from exact same location.


That's the ticket...

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Aug 17, 2023 12:12:18   #
BrianFlaherty Loc: Wilseyville, CA
 
A. T. wrote:
Once again I come to my UHH family for advice. My wife and I will be traveling to Wyoming for three weeks starting September 7th to enjoy that wonderful place once again. I am an avid wildlife and landscape photographer but would like to photograph the night skies. I have been reading and watching videos on the subject and I came across a few who were talking about the use of a star tracker for better image quality of the stars and possibly the milky way. I know absolutely nothing about a star tracker and would like to get input from you guys and gals about the subject as well as the need, or not, for a star tracker. I have professional equipment and an assortment of fast lenses. What is your opinion and or advice on the subject? Thanks again for my very valuable family in this forum.
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Where do you live that you do NOT have "clean skies" within a few hours of your "HOME?" I would NOT make a "special trip" to Wyoming for astro-photos as your first learning experience! I live in the mountains of California at a 3,000 ft elevation; and, about 35 miles from ANY city or town. . .I get clean skies from the deck of my home; but, if I drive another 20-30 minutes to 5,000+ ft. . there are fewer trees; and, ZERO houses. And, I get even "cleaner" skies. I would recommend you "practice" closer to home before going to Wyoming.

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