There are a couple of ways. You can use a burnishing stylus to make lines while the image is still developing or any number of paints or colored pencils to color the final print. We used to use those kinds of techniques on 8x10 Polaroids back in the day.
In photography as in life there are lies that don't matter; did you eat the last piece of cake? And lies that do matter; did you get the brakes repaired?
When you follow the rules, you are a photographer, when you break the rules you are an artist.
Jerry Coupe wrote:
Many folks think of photographs as exact reproductions of what the scene was at the time the image was taken.
I do appreciate when folks disclose that an image is a composite image (i.e. sunset clouds added to an image, or other components added to an image. I will still appreciate the final image for the beautiful content.
I do agree that appreciation for a beautiful image is paramount, and there are some beautiful images, like Ansel's that are a testimony of his and others' amazing skill in the darkroom. But, there were a relatively small number of things that could be done with a photograph back then. Filters, burning, dodging, diffusion, developing for greater/less contrast... solutions for treatment of small portions of photographs...but, I don't see the modern computer jockey as much more than a coloring book or paint by numbers person rather than a true artist/photographer.
flyboy61 wrote:
I do agree that appreciation for a beautiful image is paramount, and there are some beautiful images, like Ansel's that are a testimony of his and others' amazing skill in the darkroom. But, there were a relatively small number of things that could be done with a photograph back then. Filters, burning, dodging, diffusion, developing for greater/less contrast... solutions for treatment of small portions of photographs...but, I don't see the modern computer jockey as much more than a coloring book or paint by numbers person rather than a true artist/photographer.
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Sky replacement, adding or removing objects and composite images were all done in the darkroom since the earliest days of photography.
flyboy61 wrote:
I do agree that appreciation for a beautiful image is paramount, and there are some beautiful images, like Ansel's that are a testimony of his and others' amazing skill in the darkroom. But, there were a relatively small number of things that could be done with a photograph back then. Filters, burning, dodging, diffusion, developing for greater/less contrast... solutions for treatment of small portions of photographs...but, I don't see the modern computer jockey as much more than a coloring book or paint by numbers person rather than a true artist/photographer.
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It really depends on the start images vs the final development. One can have a bunch of marble chunks and come out with a beautifully constructed statue, i.e, Venus de Milo. or even beautifully polished playing marbles. Yes, intent plays a large part in the process. But then, if one wants a field of marble chips, they can come out with a field of beautifully artisticly placed chips. I even saw a flat of miscellany chips on a concrete slab(!) presented as Art, rightfully. Then there is the floor full of chips that need to be swept up and put in the garbage bin. It, again depends on result and intent.
Some people want to ignore that photography is a medium for Art, as well.
I’ve really enjoyed the discussion about the ethics of photo alteration, a subject that gets more fraught with every new addition of Photoshop. Remarkably, though feelings are strong—and justifiably so-- the discussion has been (mostly) respectful and as always I particularly enjoy the wisdom of Bill Burkholder, clearly a guy who has paid his dues.
Surely, we have lost something of value. From the beginning, photography had an aura of “truth”, and most of us, most of the time, have thought seeing a photo was believing. Now, “staging” of pics was always available: the iconic WWII picture of the Marines planting the flag on Mt. Suribachi, Iwo Jima? Reenacted a few moments later with a more glorious flag (though the battle was still going on). The famous Ruth Orkin picture “An American Girl in Italy” showing a group of Italian men harassing a beautiful girl, actually went like this: (quote from British Vogue) “… As Orkin strode towards the Piazza della Repubblica, she turned back to see Jinx (Craig) squirm as she made her way through a chorus of men. She told her to backtrack and do it more confidently…” Well, the men still behaved badly, but knowing that these moments were reenacted diminishes our appreciation of both pictures a bit, because they were not really of “the moment.”
By now we have learned not to trust pictures at all. It is sad! Remember when TV Guide did a cover story on Oprah Winfrey’s wonderful diet and put her head on Ann-margaret’s body? And they didn’t ask either woman’s permission. Of course “Photoshopping” can be used to make very ugly lies, and God knows AI will allow the lies to be as bad as the worst of us can imagine. But the incredible digital capability we have to just re-imagine an image also adds a huge creative dimension to imagemaking that is, frankly, just a whole lot of fun. Some examples are attached below. Again: motive is everything!
Anyway,capturing the moment is still a unique glory of SOOC photography:
The radiant little personality that is my granddaughter Izzie.
Similarly, Just happened to look out my car window and there it was. This image would be easy to create (put a whole deer in, maybe) but I was lucky, was I not?
Capturing the moment is why BIF photography can be so stunning. One by my brother Doug: he makes this happen by being in the right place/time with the right equipment.
The same bird shot twice. Two birds are better than one! I added to the “lie” by trimming the right images’ claw off and erasing the sunspot on its’ shoulder, two details that gave the lie away.
My friend of 40 years Reg Chung passed away last year. A Georgia DOT engineer, he designed this bridge to my house. Before he died I sent him this and he was quite tickled! We did not discuss whether it was real or not. So sue me.
I have a very big family. Never has everyone been able to be at our reunions on the same day. Matt and his two boys (in front) and me (striped shirt) were added later.
I had this concept for an image called “Holdout,” of a single bright leaf...this is the real thing, trust me.
joecichjr
Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
DonWauchope wrote:
I’ve really enjoyed the discussion about the ethics of photo alteration, a subject that gets more fraught with every new addition of Photoshop. Remarkably, though feelings are strong—and justifiably so-- the discussion has been (mostly) respectful and as always I particularly enjoy the wisdom of Bill Burkholder, clearly a guy who has paid his dues.
Surely, we have lost something of value. From the beginning, photography had an aura of “truth”, and most of us, most of the time, have thought seeing a photo was believing. Now, “staging” of pics was always available: the iconic WWII picture of the Marines planting the flag on Mt. Suribachi, Iwo Jima? Reenacted a few moments later with a more glorious flag (though the battle was still going on). The famous Ruth Orkin picture “An American Girl in Italy” showing a group of Italian men harassing a beautiful girl, actually went like this: (quote from British Vogue) “… As Orkin strode towards the Piazza della Repubblica, she turned back to see Jinx (Craig) squirm as she made her way through a chorus of men. She told her to backtrack and do it more confidently…” Well, the men still behaved badly, but knowing that these moments were reenacted diminishes our appreciation of both pictures a bit, because they were not really of “the moment.”
By now we have learned not to trust pictures at all. It is sad! Remember when TV Guide did a cover story on Oprah Winfrey’s wonderful diet and put her head on Ann-margaret’s body? And they didn’t ask either woman’s permission. Of course “Photoshopping” can be used to make very ugly lies, and God knows AI will allow the lies to be as bad as the worst of us can imagine. But the incredible digital capability we have to just re-imagine an image also adds a huge creative dimension to imagemaking that is, frankly, just a whole lot of fun. Some examples are attached below. Again: motive is everything!
Anyway,capturing the moment is still a unique glory of SOOC photography:
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They're all outstanding, but I love 1) the hawk shot, and 2) the family shot in which your additions are undetectable 😁😁🔟😁😁
And your motto is really cool. Thanks, my brother has a half-dozen bird shots that IMHO are a lifetime achievement. Check out Matt's right arm in the photo, it is borrowed from Andy on the far right...
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