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Oct 3, 2023 12:29:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
the true cost of film photography is CAMERAS, were playing with cameras that are at the very least 17 years old,, last film cameras rolled off the assembly line at vivitar production in 2008.


The film is bad, but you have to choose what you want. If you get cheap and hit foma and arista, youll really lose out on things. Go expensive and you loose on the pocket book.

Developing at home is easy for black and white, and i havent found a mail order lab that can develop multiple iso films in one order. I mean, they simply take my bag of 4 100 iso films, 10 400 iso films, and 3 200 iso films, and develop the whole kitten as 200 iso
the true cost of film photography is CAMERAS, wer... (show quote)


Well, you can still buy a brand new re-release of the Leica M6 for $5700... (That might well be considered "unobtanium" by most people.)

A few big used equipment dealers have repair technicians who still work on film bodies, although parts availability is extremely limited. Most repair people can replace light seals and mirror dampening foam, and do simple cleaning, lubrication, and shutter speed adjustments. Beyond that, you may need to supply a "parts body" they can scavenge to make a whole working camera out of two non-functional ones.

Plenty of good films are available from many national sources. In fact, there are more film brands now than ever before. Alas, Kodachrome died well over a decade ago, and it's often hard to find Fujifilm stocks, but the major old standards from Kodak and Ilford are still with us.

Most labs will use a general purpose developer such as HC-110 for B&W, and yes, they will use a middle-of-the-road combination of agitation, time, and temperature. If you find a lab that uses a dip-and-dunk processor, they *may* do special runs at different development times. Some custom labs will have a choice of B&W developers and push/pull development services. A few boutique labs will do small tank processing, although that's expensive if available!

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Oct 3, 2023 12:52:24   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
the true cost of film photography is CAMERAS, were playing with cameras that are at the very least 17 years old,, last film cameras rolled off the assembly line at vivitar production in 2008.

and now Pentax has said they will be producing several new CAMERAs {using new parts} this Spring.

I am using my old film cameras again; a manual focus Pentax SLR which I last used around 1995, and an Olympus pocket film camera that I last used around 2006. I also have an old film Spotmatic, because I felt every ‘Pentaxian’ should have one. All three cameras have proven to still be light-tight.

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Oct 4, 2023 00:02:54   #
BandeauRouge Loc: usa
 
rmalarz wrote:
I use Ilford Delta 400 for 35mm and FP4+ for 120 and 4x5.
I develop both using Ilfotec-DDX, being very cognizant of developing times and temps. I then use Kodak Fixer to finish the processing.
--Bob


ive been using a 100' roll of delta 400 this year and it blows.. it does fine if the scene in the view finder is extremely well light up and bright.. put the meter on the bright spot and it works great. but put the meter on a shadow or dark surface, and your suddenly under exposed horribly, often times into as if the negative was dipped into thin blak paint.

ive used DD-x and rodinal and rodinal gives better results and for a whole lot less, but the light issue is still there.

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Oct 4, 2023 11:50:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
ive been using a 100' roll of delta 400 this year and it blows.. it does fine if the scene in the view finder is extremely well light up and bright.. put the meter on the bright spot and it works great. but put the meter on a shadow or dark surface, and your suddenly under exposed horribly, often times into as if the negative was dipped into thin blak paint.

ive used DD-x and rodinal and rodinal gives better results and for a whole lot less, but the light issue is still there.


Please consider that your camera meter is designed to be accurate only on scenes of about 18% reflectance. Meter an appropriate gray balance target such as a Delta-1 Gray Card or a One Shot Digital Calibration Target (surprise, it works for film exposure, too!) or use an ExpoDisc "filter" over your lens to average the light falling on the scene (by pointing at the light SOURCE).

Pointing a camera meter at white will underexpose by more than two stops. Pointing it at black will overexpose by more than two stops. Pointing it at 18% gray (or an average day-lit scene containing blue sky, green grass, and other foliage) will yield good exposures.

Use a developer designed for tabular-grain films when processing Delta 400 or T-Max films.

Follow the manufacturer's recommendations for developer, time, temp, and agitation styles. Otherwise: https://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?mobile

With B&W negative films, expose for the shadows and develop for the highlights. This is the opposite of digital exposure strategy! Film has much better highlight latitude. With digital, once you saturate the sensor with photons, there is no recoverable detail in the highlights. With film, highlight overexposure by almost three stops is often recoverable. It's a pain with more than a stop and a half overexposure, and results are less than optimal, but it can be done.

If print highlights are plugging up (negatives are too dense) when your exposure is spot on according to a gray card or incident meter, then reduce film development time slightly. Alternatively, try a "compensating" developer.

If you really want to "get jiggy wid it", study the zone system. Otherwise, a gray reference is mighty handy!

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Oct 4, 2023 12:12:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
ive been using a 100' roll of delta 400 this year and it blows.. it does fine if the scene in the view finder is extremely well light up and bright.. put the meter on the bright spot and it works great. but put the meter on a shadow or dark surface, and your suddenly under exposed horribly, often times into as if the negative was dipped into thin blak paint.

ive used DD-x and rodinal and rodinal gives better results and for a whole lot less, but the light issue is still there.

How many exposures are in 100’?
I tend to use 36 exp ‘cans’, and sometimes it seems to take ‘forever’ to finish a roll.

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Oct 4, 2023 12:22:01   #
BandeauRouge Loc: usa
 
burkphoto wrote:
Well, you can still buy a brand new re-release of the Leica M6 for $5700... (That might well be considered "unobtanium" by most people.)

A few big used equipment dealers have repair technicians who still work on film bodies, although parts availability is extremely limited. Most repair people can replace light seals and mirror dampening foam, and do simple cleaning, lubrication, and shutter speed adjustments. Beyond that, you may need to supply a "parts body" they can scavenge to make a whole working camera out of two non-functional ones.

Plenty of good films are available from many national sources. In fact, there are more film brands now than ever before. Alas, Kodachrome died well over a decade ago, and it's often hard to find Fujifilm stocks, but the major old standards from Kodak and Ilford are still with us.

Most labs will use a general purpose developer such as HC-110 for B&W, and yes, they will use a middle-of-the-road combination of agitation, time, and temperature. If you find a lab that uses a dip-and-dunk processor, they *may* do special runs at different development times. Some custom labs will have a choice of B&W developers and push/pull development services. A few boutique labs will do small tank processing, although that's expensive if available!
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Alot of the cameras cannot be repaired... Its like the EOS line with mandatory battery, so many parts on them cant be replaced. At least, i had an Elan 2 have the main mode dial break off,, it would have needed a parts body, and a person willing to take both cameras apart, hope that nothing else broke, and then hope that things went back together.

And dont forget, a cracked lens becomes "near mint condition" on ebay when your interested in buying it..

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Oct 4, 2023 12:26:04   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
Alot of the cameras cannot be repaired... Its like the EOS line with mandatory battery, so many parts on them cant be replaced. At least, i had an Elan 2 have the main mode dial break off,, it would have needed a parts body, and a person willing to take both cameras apart, hope that nothing else broke, and then hope that things went back together.

And dont forget, a cracked lens becomes "near mint condition" on ebay when your interested in buying it..

That is why Pentax will release new cameras {therefore with warranty} made of new {therefore available} parts starting this Spring.

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Oct 4, 2023 13:25:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
rehess wrote:
How many exposures are in 100’?
I tend to use 36 exp ‘cans’, and sometimes it seems to take ‘forever’ to finish a roll.


18 hand-cranked 36 exposure rolls, plus a short “clip test” roll.

If you have never rolled your own, you need a bulk film loader, some snap cap or screw-on cap 35 mm film cassettes, and masking tape. You also need a “dark bag,” or film changing bag, or a 100% dark room where you can load the loader with the 100’ roll. See YouTube for demonstrations.

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Oct 4, 2023 13:35:43   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
18 hand-cranked 36 exposure rolls, plus a short “clip test” roll.

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BandeauRouge wrote:
ive been using a 100' roll of delta 400 this year ……

I don’t believe I would continue to use that film if “it blows”.

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Oct 5, 2023 01:30:50   #
BandeauRouge Loc: usa
 
rehess wrote:
I don’t believe I would continue to use that film if “it blows”.


Its all i gots in 35mm.. im able to hedge the bets as to how a shot will turn out.. but the mathematics is really really crappy when one spends time doing bird shots...


Inside, it seems to come out 1 stop underexposed no matter how i meter, camera or sekonic. And its not that hard to hash out with the enlarger..

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Oct 5, 2023 09:17:35   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
Its all i gots in 35mm.. im able to hedge the bets as to how a shot will turn out.. but the mathematics is really really crappy when one spends time doing bird shots...


Inside, it seems to come out 1 stop underexposed no matter how i meter, camera or sekonic. And its not that hard to hash out with the enlarger..

Basically, any B&W film has ‘latitude’{and any film can be adjusted during printing/scanning} and I can get all kinds via mail.

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Oct 24, 2023 07:10:01   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Bill 45 wrote:
The time has come to say good by to film and film cameras. Early this month I was at a car show and old farm equipment show. I was using a digital camera ( Fujifilm Finepix S) For me that all I need for a camera. The total cost of pictures from the two show was $11.27. That cost of 84 pictures. With film the cost would be 2X the cost of digital pictures. Now add in the cost of buying film and shipping it out and have the film ship back as pictures. It all add up to the point that cost of using film camera is too much. I don't like what I just wrote, but that the way the world is today. Well one would ask how about setting up dark room, forget that idea, it would not work out for me. Ok, what about the film cameras I have? I put some of my cameras in a second hand store to be sold. See how that works out. If that works out, I may put more cameras in the second hand store. I not selling off all of my cameras, some I want to keep like the Pentax K 1000 I purchased back in 1982. It was second hand when I got it, It still works great today.
The time has come to say good by to film and film ... (show quote)

The film mindset {deliberate} is different from the digital mindset {frenetic - very burst oriented}. Now that I think about it, film photography leads to the same end(s) that digital photography does, but I believe some kind of title having the word “splitting” would be more appropriate than your “End of an Era”.

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Oct 24, 2023 10:25:49   #
BebuLamar
 
I have to shoot a roll of film in my Yashica Lynx 14 this week. The shutter speeds are not accurate and they are slow but I know what they are so it would be no problem.

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Nov 7, 2023 10:15:49   #
Bill 45
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I have to shoot a roll of film in my Yashica Lynx 14 this week. The shutter speeds are not accurate and they are slow but I know what they are so it would be no problem.


I have a Yashica Lynx 14E. When I found it, camera need some work done to it. Send it out to be repaired. It came back like it had been just made.

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Nov 7, 2023 10:17:08   #
Bill 45
 
rehess wrote:
The film mindset {deliberate} is different from the digital mindset {frenetic - very burst oriented}. Now that I think about it, film photography leads to the same end(s) that digital photography does, but I believe some kind of title having the word “splitting” would be more appropriate than your “End of an Era”.


What?

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