Local Victim of Titan Disaster
Jun 24, 2023 08:15:38 #
I was surprised to read that the French diving expert who was lost in the Titan tragedy lived across the Hudson River from me. James Cameron mentioned him in an interview, saying he was a longtime friend.
Jun 24, 2023 08:32:32 #
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Jun 24, 2023 08:56:03 #
From what I've heard from James Cameron and others, that was a disaster waiting to happen. Unlike other tourist subs around the world, the Titan was not approved/certified. He had been warned by experts, including James Cameron, about the poor design of his vessel. The pressure hull was made from carbon fiber, and it had sensors inside to warn of potential failures. Let's say they got a warning; what would they do?
Reporter David Pogue rode that to the Titanic, and he said that having problems was the norm. They might be able to get only one or two dives completed in a week. According to James Cameron, there has never been a loss or a serious incident involving a tourist sub anywhere in the world. I rode in one in Hawaii, but I might have second thoughts now. I'm sure this is going to hurt the tourist submersible industry.
Reporter David Pogue rode that to the Titanic, and he said that having problems was the norm. They might be able to get only one or two dives completed in a week. According to James Cameron, there has never been a loss or a serious incident involving a tourist sub anywhere in the world. I rode in one in Hawaii, but I might have second thoughts now. I'm sure this is going to hurt the tourist submersible industry.
Jun 24, 2023 09:45:29 #
Scientific exploration may be something you can risk safety for but not for tourism. It's simply not worth it. Again, although people are rich and the poor tax payers paid for their attempted rescue for some risk that they knowingly took upon themselves.
Jun 24, 2023 10:09:55 #
jerryc41 wrote:
From what I've heard from James Cameron and others... (show quote)
I’ve read Cameron’s commons also but I’m curious as to what regulatory body would “approve” or “certify” a mechanism like this.
Jun 24, 2023 10:13:40 #
Dannj wrote:
I haven't researched the company or the laws, but are you sure it required certification? A private toy?I’ve read Cameron’s commons also but I’m curious as to what regulatory body would “approve” or “certify” a mechanism like this.
Jun 24, 2023 10:14:29 #
Interesting which events capture our attention and concern. The day prior to the submersible disappearing, four people were killed in a tornado in Texas. Ho hum?
Jun 24, 2023 10:19:48 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I haven't researched the company or the laws, but are you sure it required certification? A private toy?
I think because it's in international water they don't have to follow the law from any countries. However, it's always a risky business going that deep. If you want to do it for fun I don't want tax payers who face the debt celing default to pay for your rescue. It's simply not fair and so sorry I do not have much symphathy for those people.
Jun 24, 2023 10:21:20 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I haven't researched the company or the laws, but are you sure it required certification? A private toy?
I don't know what agency would approve them, but if a business is charging the public, there is generally inspection and approval required. This applies to elevators, gas pumps, and many other things. Amusement park rides must also be examined and approved.
[i]"In a 2019 post on the OceanGate website, straightforwardly titled “Why Isn’t Titan Classed?” the undersea exploration company wrote that it had declined to test its vessel with an independent certification company because of its superior commitment to safety."[I]
In other words, it's too good to need approval.
https://www.curbed.com/2023/06/oceangate-titan-submarine-unregulated-tourism.html
Lots more - https://www.google.com/search?q=what+agency+approves+submersibles&oq=what+agency+approves+submersibles&aqs=edge..69i57j0i546j0i546i649.11151j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Jun 24, 2023 10:31:27 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Interesting which events capture our attention and concern. The day prior to the submersible disappearing, four people were killed in a tornado in Texas. Ho hum?
As with all tragedies, we only take notice of them if we can put a face to those involved. The tornado, the capsizing of a ship last week that killed 100s, we did not place an identy to these people. The Titan was on the way to see the Titanic, the men on the sub had in their day been in the forefront of exploration and adventure.
Jun 24, 2023 10:42:27 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I haven't researched the company or the laws, but are you sure it required certification? A private toy?
I’m not sure either. I was replying to jerryc41’s earlier comment.
Jun 25, 2023 07:20:16 #
Dannj wrote:
A tragic event. I’m interested in seeing the final report after the stone throwing stops.
I doubt there will be much of a final report…carbon fiber is pretty non flexible in thick pieces like a pressure bull would be…something delaminated a bit since the fiber and resin have different modulus of elasticity…and smush. O bodies to recover…they’re squished and became sea life food…and while recovery of the wreckage is possible it will be very expensive and IMO not the responsibility of the government to pay for. There was a report that they bought the fiber from Boeing because it was past its airplane use by date…but carbon fiber doesn’t go bad and the resin has indefinite shelf life until it is mixed with the catalyst…so that report while it may be true is a distraction. The company either screwed up the construction or design…or it micro-cracked on previous dives and finally gave way. Either way…the touring likely had slim to zero notice beforehand so at they only suffered for a few milliseconds.
Jun 25, 2023 07:23:25 #
So true. President Obama raised the same point after migrant ship sank in the Mediterranean killing hundreds during the same time period.
Are we categorizing death by the number of clicks the story will generate?
Are we categorizing death by the number of clicks the story will generate?
Jun 25, 2023 07:31:06 #
neillaubenthal wrote:
I doubt there will be much of a final report…carbo... (show quote)
Carbon fiber is good for planes because planes need to be light but I don't think subs needs to be light weight. s
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