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Jun 14, 2023 09:15:51   #
gtilford Loc: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 
So I have read how, I have watched videos on how but for some reason my brain just doesn't want to hold on to the information. I took this shot of a white lily this past Sunday and I am still not able to get the amount of detail in any shot whether flower, bird etc that I would like. Does anyone have a simple way or explanation of how to achieve more details captured in my white images?

Thanks for any and all input


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Jun 14, 2023 09:24:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Spot meter on the white???

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Jun 14, 2023 09:25:24   #
MountainDave
 
When I am shooting a light object against a dark background, I typically reduce the exposure. 1/3 to 2/3 a stop usually does the trick. Conversely, if I'm shooting a dark object against a light background, I increase exposure.

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Jun 14, 2023 09:27:31   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I'm not very good at PP. But I find that if in LR I run the highlights slider all the way to the left, then back off to where I like it, it helps. That combined with clarity tends to do the trick for me.

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Jun 14, 2023 09:28:45   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
AzPicLady wrote:
I'm not very good at PP. But I find that if in LR I run the highlights slider all the way to the left, then back off to where I like it, it helps. That combined with clarity tends to do the trick for me.



Same in PSE.

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Jun 14, 2023 09:35:25   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
Manipulating the "highlight sliders" in Post processing works for me too, when shot in RAW especially. Spot metering and under-exposure help greatly as well. Bracketing exposures is another trick worth working into the "field work" agenda. I have also carried a check list to help me remember while on a "shoot.' If I can remember the list

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Jun 14, 2023 09:36:32   #
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gtilford wrote:
So I have read how, I have watched videos on how but for some reason my brain just doesn't want to hold on to the information. I took this shot of a white lily this past Sunday and I am still not able to get the amount of detail in any shot whether flower, bird etc that I would like. Does anyone have a simple way or explanation of how to achieve more details captured in my white images?

Thanks for any and all input

There is, as you ask for, an actually simple way. Simple however does not equal quick-and-easy.
"How do you get to Carnegie Hall ?"

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Jun 14, 2023 09:37:35   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
gtilford wrote:
So I have read how, I have watched videos on how but for some reason my brain just doesn't want to hold on to the information. I took this shot of a white lily this past Sunday and I am still not able to get the amount of detail in any shot whether flower, bird etc that I would like. Does anyone have a simple way or explanation of how to achieve more details captured in my white images?

Thanks for any and all input


What the previous replies (Longshadow, MountainDave, AzPicLady, Architect1776, Don, the 2nd son) wrote can all work. I use all of those but I am using Ps and ACR. Theoretically they all accomplish the same thing. Another way that I use in Ps is adjust the Levels Tool. Good luck. And your water lily / lotus looks pretty good as it is.

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Jun 14, 2023 09:39:45   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
I can't get the EXIF from this photo. DOF is determined by f stop. F11 will give more DOF than f2.8.
Detail in this photo is very good. I can count the legs on the fly. Hope this helps.

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Jun 14, 2023 09:40:17   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Some people learn best by building a foundation first. Instead of "trying spot metering" or "trying adjustments in post-processing," first learn the definition of exposure and then learn the definition of dynamic range.

For some, the "why" is important to understanding how and when.

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Jun 14, 2023 09:42:59   #
User ID
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Some people learn best by building a foundation first. Instead of "trying spot metering," first learn the definition of exposure and then learn the definition of dynamic range.

For some, the "why" is important to understanding how and when.

Thaz how you get to Carnegie Hall.

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Jun 14, 2023 09:55:13   #
MosheR Loc: New York City
 
gtilford wrote:
So I have read how, I have watched videos on how but for some reason my brain just doesn't want to hold on to the information. I took this shot of a white lily this past Sunday and I am still not able to get the amount of detail in any shot whether flower, bird etc that I would like. Does anyone have a simple way or explanation of how to achieve more details captured in my white images?

Thanks for any and all input


If this is the result you want, I did it using the NIK Collection filter known as the "Detail Extractor." It took about ten seconds, start to finish.


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Jun 14, 2023 10:03:31   #
gtilford Loc: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 
MosheR wrote:
If this is the result you want, I did it using the NIK Collection filter known as the "Detail Extractor." It took about ten seconds, start to finish.


This is closer to what is actually seen with the naked eye when looking at the lily in the water. That collection is available in DXO is this correct, I currently use NX Studio to manipulate my raw photo to a TIFF which I then use Topaz DeNoise on if it is needed and then I use Affinity Photo to do any other manipulation. I have downloaded DXO Photo currently to try on my laptop as Affinity photo will not work on the laptop. The advantage of using the laptop is that it has a touch screen and I am thinking fine edits maybe simpler with the pen instead of the mouse. Thanks for the input

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Jun 14, 2023 10:05:50   #
gtilford Loc: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 
MountainDave wrote:
When I am shooting a light object against a dark background, I typically reduce the exposure. 1/3 to 2/3 a stop usually does the trick. Conversely, if I'm shooting a dark object against a light background, I increase exposure.


I have been trying this but am still not quite happy with the detail I see in white subjects thanks for the input

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Jun 14, 2023 10:06:55   #
gtilford Loc: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
 
Longshadow wrote:
Spot meter on the white???


This is one of those things I have read about but keep forgetting to put into practice in the field. Thanks

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