Professional/Hobby cameras with standard operating system (Page 2): I have malware bytes installed on my Windows 11 system and Windows itself has become much better with viruses and...

OwlHarbor Loc: Pacific North West USA

JD750 wrote:

There is a saying in product development “never build what you can buy”!

Manufacturers have their programs but but adopting a common operating system could save money and also facilitate downloading of Apps to the camera and sharing via Wi-Fi or cellular.

Of course we will then have to worry about viruses and other malware on our cameras.

So time will tell how well it will sell.

I have malware bytes installed on my Windows 11 system and Windows itself has become much better with viruses and other knarlies that roam the net. So that would be another device that needs to be protected. I wonder sometimes why a priority of our secret squirrel governmental agencies do go after those who prey on us. Spam, phishing, and hacking, for profit, hurts general, organizations and governmental entities at a huge cost.

OwlHarbor Loc: Pacific North West USA

larryepage wrote:

The battle between general purpose and dedicated processors and systems has been going on for 50 years that I can speak to. From what I see, it is no closer to resolution than when I first learned about it. Even after PCs were fanned out to desktops, IT groups worked to recentralize the functionality and control. This is just another iteration of one corner of the question.

It's not worth getting your blood pressure elevated over.

I agree it's not worth elevating our blood pressure. The biggest change I see is the debate over AI and what it can or can't do and for the moment it's relegated to single-purpose software as a chatbot or data text only.

hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

There is a video by Tony and Chelsea Northrup on this topic. Time will tell if this occurs, I'm not holding my breath.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

DirtFarmer wrote:

2 of my cameras have a 30-second voice recorder. I have found it useful when shooting events to record a name or place that I want to remember for tagging.

Cool, an extra bennie.

ClarkJohnson Loc: Fort Myers, FL and Cohasset, MA

As a birder,I would love to have the Merlin app built-in to my camera, so I could identify the bird I just took a picture of!

fetzler Loc: North West PA

OwlHarbor wrote:

I am hearing rumblings that Sony is working on a c... (show quote)

I am glad that you like this. I, however, think that Android is quite bad. I only use my cell phone minimally, in part, because android mostly sucks.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

fetzler wrote:

I am glad that you like this. I, however, think that Android is quite bad. I only use my cell phone minimally, in part, because android mostly sucks.

Hmmm. Mine doesn't.

jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America

OwlHarbor wrote:

I am hearing rumblings that Sony is working on a c... (show quote)

Yeah, maybe.

As Tony Northrup said: it is *his* conclusion, not even Chelsea backed him.

But, if true, then most probably:

1) Linux

Why? Linux is used in 99.9% embedded systems (routers, sourvillance cameras, traffic light controllers, etc.)

Therefore, there is an ginourmus base of knowledge and already made work.

For instance, I developed vision system using industrial cameras and Linux exclusively.

2) *far behind* Android

Android *is* (I repeat: *IS*) plain Linux with a GUI adapted for small touch screens.

Unless future Sony Cameras get a touch display with similar performance to a phone, I see no point in using Android.

3) IOS *no way*

IOS *is* BSD (a cousin of Linux), but Apple would never allow it, unless the camera is sold under the Apple brand.

Apple Alpha 7R V??

4) Windows *what is that ??*

Windows failed miserably in the embedded market years ago.

While it is true that it does exist a Windows 10 IoT version, it has en enormous overhead and is almost only used in systems for which there is a need to use Windows Apps, like legacy apps or some very specific and with very low performance needs, like signage displays.

You have to use a BIG CPU + lots of RAM + Giant battery to run Windows... to achieve the very same tasks as Linux does with lot less requirements.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

There’s a BIG difference between a general purpose OS such as Windows, MacOS or Linux and an embedded real time OS such as OS9, VX Works or PSOS. The OS in your camera loads from firmware, is small, compact, fast and designed for a very specific task, just as the OS in the avionics of an aircraft, a digital radio or a robot (just a few examples). Embedding a full blown OS in a device to do a single task is a poor design and implies a misunderstanding of compute design.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

TriX wrote:

There’s a BIG difference between a general purpose OS such as Windows, MacOS or Linux and an embedded real time OS such as OS9, VX Works or PSOS. The OS in your camera loads from firmware, is small, compact, fast and designed for a very specific task, just as the OS in the avionics of an aircraft, a digital radio or a robot (just a few examples). Embedding a full blown OS in a device to do a single task is a poor design and implies a misunderstanding of compute design.

Waisted space and overhead.
Device specific (specialized) software is much more efficient.

jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America

Longshadow wrote:

Waisted space and overhead.
Device specific (specialized) software is much more efficient.

Obsolete view.

Modern goals are TTM, maintenance and cost.

Modern CPUs can handle an embedded OS like a stripped down Linux with ease.

The advantage is that developing for Linux is CHEAP.

Also, it is very simple to add hardware and features.

New Bluetooth chip? FREE
Stable WiFI? FREE
Mesh routing ? FREE
FTP, SCP, SSH ? FREE
Python for rapid development ? FREE
OoenCV for image analysis? FREE
etc.

I've been working on embedded systems for decades... Most if them have ditched they primitive (or non existent) in favor of Linux

A *cheap cheap cheap* Raspberry PI is much more powerful than the controllers in modern cameras, and handles Linux, real time video analysis, many networks, HDMI accelerated video, for under $100 end user price... about $10 for OEMs

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

jlg1000 wrote:

Obsolete view. br br Modern goals are TTM, mainte... (show quote)

Might be "obsolete" with the next generation attitudes/mindset, but it is true.

If it's so super-duper, why isn't the same OS in everything?
Why hasn't everyone gone that way?
And which OS should they choose? ONE would be best.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

OwlHarbor wrote:

I am hearing rumblings that Sony is working on a c... (show quote)

All conjecture. Sony used to run on Android but it had issues. And Android is really just a layer that runs on Linux and Sony cameras run on Linux. Many of the issues they talked about cellphones doing better, like transferring files faster, are related to the hardware, not the OS.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

jlg1000 wrote:

Yeah, maybe. br br As Tony Northrup said: it is *... (show quote)

And Sony cameras already run on Linux. Most of the things Northrop said would be benefits of Android can be easily done in Linux but would need hardware upgrades, not Android.

Bill_de Loc: US

lamiaceae wrote:

There have been several Threads on here about this already.

And they will keep coming, with the same folks posting the same thing in every one of them.

Best to pick your favorite hogster and follow them.

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