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May 5, 2023 11:15:32   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Athletes and entertainers get paid to put butts in seats. There are limited numbers of people with the talents to fill those seats, so they can demand the big bucks. Those seats may become too expensive for some people, but as long as other people are willing to pay for them, the situation will remain. Compare that to corporate CEOs who get outrageous salaries which are not connected to their performance, and if they fail, they have golden parachutes.

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May 5, 2023 11:22:34   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Athletes and entertainers get paid to put butts in seats. There are limited numbers of people with the talents to fill those seats, so they can demand the big bucks. Those seats may become too expensive for some people, but as long as other people are willing to pay for them, the situation will remain. Compare that to corporate CEOs who get outrageous salaries which are not connected to their performance, and if they fail, they have golden parachutes.


I agree...ahthletes, CEOs and plenty of others!

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May 5, 2023 15:47:31   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
I've thought this. How true! One baseball player on a team makes $20 million a year or more and the doctor who saved my life by performing my nephrectomy laperscopically might make a few hundred thousand a year. Injustice in my book.



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May 5, 2023 15:52:04   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
bcheary wrote:
Amen to that!


And as a general practice physician, I would have loved to have made a few hundred thousand yearly. Look at the P.O.S. car I am driving after nearly 4 decades of practice



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May 5, 2023 16:12:38   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
... Injustice in my book.
Where is the injustice? People willingingly pay for the product (entertainment) - both in person and on television (sports on television is another huge income-generator). The players produce the product. And the players are the product.

Pro sports teams are owned by millionaires/billionaires. What percent of a team's revenue is "fair" for those who actually make the product?

A doctor who specializes in laparoscopic nephrectomy is not going to have 70,000 "fans" willing to pay to watch in person, or millions willing to pay for tv access.

Your argument is what's called a false equivalency. The value to society of doctors, nurses, firemen, teachers, military - and all our essential services - is not comparable to entertainment that reaches many thousands of people in a single event. What we're willing to pay for essential services defines our humanity.

Apples vs. oranges.

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May 5, 2023 17:07:45   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Where is the injustice? People willingingly pay for the product (entertainment) - both in person and on television (sports on television is another huge income-generator). The players produce the product. And the players are the product.

Pro sports teams are owned by millionaires/billionaires. What percent of a team's revenue is "fair" for those who actually make the product?

A doctor who specializes in laparoscopic nephrectomy is not going to have 70,000 "fans" willing to pay to watch in person, or millions willing to pay for tv access.

Your argument is what's called a false equivalency. The value to society of doctors, nurses, firemen, teachers, military - and all our essential services - is not comparable to entertainment that reaches many thousands of people in a single event. What we're willing to pay for essential services defines our humanity.

Apples vs. oranges.
Where is the injustice? People willingingly pay fo... (show quote)


I'll tell you where the injustice is to me. Doctors go to school for 10-12 years, probably scrimp for most of that time, studies their asses off, tired from all of the long hours and then after graduation have to pay off their loans which can take from 10-20 years. And as the Doc from above states not all make $300,000 a year. Yes, I think it's an injustice that a person can throw (and hit well<granted>) a ball (or wh**ever the sport) and make 100 times more a year than a doctor. Say what you may,Linda, but to my way of thinking...it's not right.

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May 5, 2023 17:28:28   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
I'll tell you where the injustice is to me. Doctors go to school for 10-12 years, probably scrimp for most of that time, studies their asses off, tired from all of the long hours and then after graduation have to pay off their loans which can take from 10-20 years. And as the Doc from above states not all make $300,000 a year. Yes, I think it's an injustice that a person can throw (and hit well<granted>) a ball (or wh**ever the sport) and make 100 times more a year than a doctor. Say what you may,Linda, but to my way of thinking...it's not right.
I'll tell you where the injustice is to me. Doctor... (show quote)
How would you change the system - our society - in order to correct this perceived injustice?

Are you saying Americans shouldn't be allowed to spend their "leisure time" money on legal activities of their choice?

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May 5, 2023 18:32:54   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
I'll tell you where the injustice is to me. Doctors go to school for 10-12 years, probably scrimp for most of that time, studies their asses off, tired from all of the long hours and then after graduation have to pay off their loans which can take from 10-20 years. And as the Doc from above states not all make $300,000 a year. Yes, I think it's an injustice that a person can throw (and hit well<granted>) a ball (or wh**ever the sport) and make 100 times more a year than a doctor. Say what you may,Linda, but to my way of thinking...it's not right.
I'll tell you where the injustice is to me. Doctor... (show quote)

Why is that an injustice ?

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May 5, 2023 19:48:44   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
How would you change the system - our society - in order to correct this perceived injustice?

Are you saying Americans shouldn't be allowed to spend their "leisure time" money on legal activities of their choice?


Not at all. Spend your money however and wherever you'd like. There's not a thing that I can do to change the system (our society). I have to live with it just like everyone else. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the importance of athletes and doctors (among others) is cockeyed. Way off!!! Where did I say that Americans shouldn't be allowed to spend their "leisure time" money on legal activities of their choice? Have a ball!!

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May 5, 2023 20:46:47   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
... We'll just have to agree to disagree...
We are not in disagreement; we're just not speaking the same language How can it be "not right" that (a few) pro sports stars are millionaires when pro sports are legal businesses that sell a product that people are willing to buy? Isn't that capitalism?

The medical profession is very different. It's the insurance companies who rake in huge profits! Our healthcare system is broken in many ways, not just when you compare doctors' salaries to some other professions.

"According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the price of an employer-sponsored family policy is up 47% since 2011, outpacing wages and inflation, meaning premiums and deductibles now eat up more of the average family’s income - 11.6% as of 2020.

A December poll found 46% of insured adults struggle to afford out-of-pocket costs and 29% have not taken medicine as prescribed because it’s too expensive."


Source: https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/03/health-insurance-companies-make-record-profits-costs-soar-us/

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May 5, 2023 21:08:08   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
We are not in disagreement; we're just not speaking the same language How can it be "not right" that (a few) pro sports stars are millionaires when pro sports are legal businesses that sell a product that people are willing to buy? Isn't that capitalism?

The medical profession is very different. It's the insurance companies who rake in huge profits! Our healthcare system is broken in many ways, not just when you compare doctors' salaries to some other professions.

"According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the price of an employer-sponsored family policy is up 47% since 2011, outpacing wages and inflation, meaning premiums and deductibles now eat up more of the average family’s income - 11.6% as of 2020.

A December poll found 46% of insured adults struggle to afford out-of-pocket costs and 29% have not taken medicine as prescribed because it’s too expensive."


Source: https://www.live5news.com/2022/02/03/health-insurance-companies-make-record-profits-costs-soar-us/

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We are not in disagreement; we're just not speakin... (show quote)


You're right Linda, we're not speaking the same language. You're sadly misinformed if you think that there are just a "few" pro sports stars that are millionaires. Way off! Yes, it is capitalism, of which I'm a proponent. You're off on a tangent now when you interject insurance, out of pocket costs, inflation, etc...blah,blah,blah. That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Actually, athletes don't have to be compared to anyone!! They make too much money!!

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May 5, 2023 21:14:25   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
I put Hollywood actors into a slightly different bin than pro sports. Sports are played in large facilities in big cities that are often supported in one way or another by public money (taxes). Movies, OTOH, are screened in privately owned movie theaters that are widely distributed across the country. The cost of viewing a movie in a theatre is also FAR less than the cost of attending a ball game. I can choose to not go to a movie, but I have little choice in my taxes being used to build a stadium in a city that is prohibitively expensive for people not living in that big city to attend. So I don’t begrudge actors their high incomes as much as I do sports pros.

But I also agree that the disparity in pay between professional people who have spent a lot of time getting educated (doctors, dentists, even lawyers) and flunkies who can throw a ball but can’t even speak intelligibly when interviewed, is unfair. And I have zero sympathy for any of these sports people making those big bucks when they are broke later in life because their career is over when they are still relatively young.

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May 5, 2023 21:31:40   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
Believe it or not, I defended Aaron Judge's latest contract for $400 million (or wh**ever it was) in this column. The point I'm trying to make is that I believe the salaries for athletes are way too high (in my estimation) and heading higher. There's no stopping it, I know that, but I think it's ridiculous. People were calling for Judge to take less if he really liked being a Yankee...blah,blah,blah. And I said that he's certainly entitled to wh**ever he can get, which he is, I stick by that. This was meant to be a light-hearted entry. I didn't expect to get smacked for it. I can take it. Bottom line... athletes make too much money for what they do. I'll gladly pay for a top notch surgeon for anyone in my family, but it's been years since I've taken the family to a game (it would be upwards of a thousand dollars for the 5 of us.No thanks.) I don't whine, I'm simply stating my beliefs. Of course there are more important issues. What a ridiculous statement! I happened to see this online and thought I'd pass it on. Most of the replies were quite civil until this was banished to the "Attic".
Believe it or not, I defended Aaron Judge's latest... (show quote)

I believe it was $360 million for 9 years which still averages out to $40 million per year.

That does not make his salary the highest per year. I believe Mike Trout is paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $43 to $45 million per year.

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May 6, 2023 07:05:38   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
You're right Linda, we're not speaking the same language. You're sadly misinformed if you think that there are just a "few" pro sports stars that are millionaires. Way off! Yes, it is capitalism, of which I'm a proponent. You're off on a tangent now when you interject insurance, out of pocket costs, inflation, etc...blah,blah,blah. That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Actually, athletes don't have to be compared to anyone!! They make too much money!!

1. You are a proponent of capitalism.
2. You think that some workers and bosses in some areas are overpaid relative to others.
3. What is the solution?

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May 6, 2023 07:49:30   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
1. You are a proponent of capitalism.
2. You think that some workers and bosses in some areas are overpaid relative to others.
3. What is the solution?


1. Yes
2. I think that many athletes are exorbitantly overpaid.
3. There is no solution. No one is going to say "I'll get the ball rolling and take less money, because our salaries are too high". The hens are out of the hen house, it's too late to do anything about it. I wouldn't take less and I don't expect anyone would. John Frimm (above here) gave a great synopsis.

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