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Apr 24, 2023 13:07:16   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Huey Driver wrote:
More laws are currently being proposed and being considered.


That’s not what you said though was it. ?


I am saying that the background checks - as they are now - are not strong enough

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Apr 25, 2023 10:17:30   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bultaco wrote:
I'd like to know how many of the shooters are registered?


Registered for what, the draft, maybe? Please explain how any type of registration would ever/has ever stopped any crime from being committed. I would love to hear your views on how registration would stop crime.

If you are going to get into the old argument that vehicles are registered so why not firearms, that has long since been proven a non starter. Vehicles are registered so the proper government entity can make money every year by reregistering the vehicle. There is no other reason to register a vehicle. There is also no reason except as a money making scheme for the government to register more than one time unless the vehicle is sold to a new owner.

Dennis

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Apr 25, 2023 10:23:31   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
What new gun laws have been passed ?
Have back ground checks been strengthened ? No


denny give us your theory of how background checks could be strengthened. As is, only a very small percentage of all firearms sold are used in crimes. Many that are used in crimes are stolen so no background check has ever been done on the thief. When you consider that firearms used to be sold mail order and crimes with firearms was far less than it is today, for what reason do you think stronger background checks would ever make a difference.

Let's say a background investigator takes a week to check out every single person who wants to purchase a firearm, employment history, Internet history, friends, relatives, neighbors would all have a say. After hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars spent the purchaser comes out clean as a whistle. Three weeks later the man comes home to find his wife in bed with a neighbor and k**ls them both. Please, pretty please, tell us how that extensive background check was helpful to anybody except a Left Winger who insisted on Feel Good legislation that won't do a thing to stop crimes from happening.

Dennis

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Apr 25, 2023 12:42:45   #
pdsdville Loc: Midlothian, Tx
 
I sold firearms for a number of years. It was my job to approve or disapprove each sale. Everyone had to fill out a form which was called in to NICS for a quick background check. The determination depended on the go or no go given to me by NICS. The problem comes when various agencies who should be reporting problem people to NICS did not do so. This included the military who are notorious for not reporting. Doctors can't violate HIPPA regulations and give information on a dangerous person to NICS. You can't completely fault NICS or the gun seller when the rest of us don't get involved. We have done a lot of this to ourselves by making the privacy laws so complicated that the gun sale system just becomes ineffective to a great extent. There are so many laws that would have to be changed, each a battle in itself, that I can't see any easy solution to the problem. If the states, the federal government (military), doctors, and local police didn't have their own hands tied we might be able to solve this problem but I see little chance. We may be reverting to the old wild west days when most people were armed, at least according to the movies.

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Apr 25, 2023 12:47:01   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
DennyT wrote:
You are the one that stated “”” we pass more laws ”””.

We haven’t !

Yes I think more strict universal background rules and checks would help and would not violate the intent of 2A.

Why not at least try ???


Check out the newest dumb ass law they just passed in Washington state. As dumb as they come , won't do anything.

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Apr 25, 2023 13:03:34   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
denny give us your theory of how background checks could be strengthened. As is, only a very small percentage of all firearms sold are used in crimes. Many that are used in crimes are stolen so no background check has ever been done on the thief. When you consider that firearms used to be sold mail order and crimes with firearms was far less than it is today, for what reason do you think stronger background checks would ever make a difference.

Let's say a background investigator takes a week to check out every single person who wants to purchase a firearm, employment history, Internet history, friends, relatives, neighbors would all have a say. After hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars spent the purchaser comes out clean as a whistle. Three weeks later the man comes home to find his wife in bed with a neighbor and k**ls them both. Please, pretty please, tell us how that extensive background check was helpful to anybody except a Left Winger who insisted on Feel Good legislation that won't do a thing to stop crimes from happening.

Dennis
denny give us your theory of how background checks... (show quote)


Once again we are not talking the criminal element , it is the mass shooting that concern america,

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Apr 25, 2023 13:13:05   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
Once again we are not talking the criminal element , it is the mass shooting that concern america,


Why is the mass shooting a concern and the everyday murders in our inner cities not a problem? That makes no sense. Gun violence is gun violence and if you want to help solve it then you need to stop the everyday gun violence problems. Just look at Chicago, which is not the worst city in America. They have more people shot each weekend than the totals from mass shootings for a month or more.

The mass shootings are the ones that make the news, but the day to day gun violence k**ls far more people. Enforce the gun laws we have now, and really go after those who have illegally purchased guns and you will save far more lives than anything you try to do to solve the mass shooting problem.

It's typical. The news media sensationalizes one kind of k*****g and demands action, while ignoring the other, which is far more deadly and could be much more quickly and easily addressed.

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Apr 25, 2023 14:43:43   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Guns are not the problem, people are. I have no idea how to fix that but it seems like no one else does either. So we pass more laws and wonder why they do nothing. We better start being more defensive. Metal detectors and electronically locking and unlocking doors would be a good start.


You don't hear much about mass shootings with a revolver or 9mm/45cal pistol. How come? Maybe because they don't shoot enough bullets fast enough to k**l as many people as possible. Perhaps a solution might be to make assault weapons illegal?

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Apr 25, 2023 14:45:30   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
Huey Driver wrote:
More laws are currently being proposed and being considered.


By whom? Not the Republicans.

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Apr 25, 2023 14:46:14   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
Triple G wrote:
By republicans.


Which Republicans?

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Apr 25, 2023 15:25:53   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
Once again we are not talking the criminal element , it is the mass shooting that concern america,


How can you say that bulls**t with a straight face when mass shooters might take out 200 people a year and criminals take out 1000's a year especially black on black crimes in the inner cities. You DO realize a couple of hundred people is a LESSER number than thousands, don't you? You are smart enough to know addition, subtraction, times tables and so on?

You ALSO know that the supposed assault rifle look alikes are used in less than 3% of all crimes across America. You do know that right. That means 97% of other crimes with weapons are with other than these rifles. Talk about the stupidity of the Left Wing tail wagging the dog, eh?

Dennis

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Apr 25, 2023 15:29:16   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
btbg wrote:
Why is the mass shooting a concern and the everyday murders in our inner cities not a problem? That makes no sense. Gun violence is gun violence and if you want to help solve it then you need to stop the everyday gun violence problems. Just look at Chicago, which is not the worst city in America. They have more people shot each weekend than the totals from mass shootings for a month or more.

The mass shootings are the ones that make the news, but the day to day gun violence k**ls far more people. Enforce the gun laws we have now, and really go after those who have illegally purchased guns and you will save far more lives than anything you try to do to solve the mass shooting problem.

It's typical. The news media sensationalizes one kind of k*****g and demands action, while ignoring the other, which is far more deadly and could be much more quickly and easily addressed.
Why is the mass shooting a concern and the everyda... (show quote)




Wait!!! Pick me, pick me, I know. The correct answer is the Left is afraid of the 2nd Amendment which allows AR and AK rifles to be owned as certified by the Supreme Court. The Left doesn't care about crimes with OTHER weapons. They only care about the very VERY few crimes where the AK and AR platform rifles are used. It is those rifles they want taken away from law abiding citizens first. Then they will start working on semi auto pistols, revolvers and then our bolt action hunting rifles when they will be called Sniper rifles.

Dennis

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Apr 25, 2023 15:30:02   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DaveO wrote:
Remember, if we don't keep passing laws, Congress won't have anything to do. Also, it would prevent each new administration from whining about its predecessor.


The only thing they have been doing for years is call each other names, sounds like the DC version of the attic.

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Apr 25, 2023 15:32:27   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
dlwhawaii wrote:
You don't hear much about mass shootings with a revolver or 9mm/45cal pistol. How come? Maybe because they don't shoot enough bullets fast enough to k**l as many people as possible. Perhaps a solution might be to make assault weapons illegal?


Do you have any experience in shooting quickly with either revolvers or semi auto handguns? I suspect not or you would not have made such a stupid asinine comment. Semi auto handguns can be had with extra magazines and revolvers can be had with speed loaders.

Why not just admit to the rest of us, you on the Left are eventually going after ALL firearms. Just be a big boy and admit your anti American dream.


Dennis

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Apr 25, 2023 15:32:31   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
How can you say that bulls**t with a straight face when mass shooters might take out 200 people a year and criminals take out 1000's a year especially black on black crimes in the inner cities. You DO realize a couple of hundred people is a LESSER number than thousands, don't you? You are smart enough to know addition, subtraction, times tables and so on?

You ALSO know that the supposed assault rifle look alikes are used in less than 3% of all crimes across America. You do know that right. That means 97% of other crimes with weapons are with other than these rifles. Talk about the stupidity of the Left Wing tail wagging the dog, eh?

Dennis
How can you say that bulls**t with a straight face... (show quote)


Why do you have to be obnoxious in everything?

I never that criminals don’t k**l more people. I only that peple are concerned about mass shooting - which true .

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