jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

My son witnessed this. He was in the NY public library, and a man started taking pictures of his model. She was doing acrobatic poses here and there, and then she began jumping off tables. A librarian told him to stop. "It's a public library, and I'm allowed to take pictures." "Yes, but not jumping off the furniture." "Well, it doesn't say that. It just says no flash photography."

He continued taking pictures in the hall. And we wonder why photographers in general are given a hard time.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Entitled..........

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Definitely

Bill_de Loc: US

So where are the pictures your son took with his cell phone?


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Stephan G

Exactly what I thought when reading OP's post.

Everyone should have whipped out their phones and started "shooting"! The "Photographer and Model" would just melt away.

The librarian should have said, "We have many good books on photography and modeling. Grab a few and SIT DOWN, READ! Plus look up the definitions of 'Studio' vs 'LIBRARY'!"

camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.

In my opinion Jerry it is a total lack of respect to take a model to a public library to jump off tables. That is insane.
Those tables are property of the city of NY and in addition I bet that if she has an accident they sue the city. I have seen people with no brain but this "photographer" tops them all.

davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel

Pure gossip!

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

I was doing a nude photography session by the fountain entrance of a large building where I could see through the camera that the reflections were quite artistic. The police were called and I had to put my clothes back or he would arrest me and take my camera.😜

47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

If I were to do that there would be a huge crowd holding signs saying "Welcome back Maestro!!" And "Who is the fabulous new model?" And the girls would have signs saying "Can we have him when you are finished?" It would be kind of scary, but...

E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada

(*)"Man is he wrong NOUN- "Idiot" would be a more accurate description! The librarian should have called the police and had the "photographer" and his "model" removed.

If this occurred in New York State, there are rules in place to prohibit such behavior. "Disregarding instruction given by library staff" would cover that. I am sure that their jurisdiction has similar regulations.

I have been doing photography both as an amateur and professional all my life. I have secured PERMISSION to shoot in just about any place one can think of; public buildings, government p property, churches, synagogues, mosques, cemeteries, hospitals, parks, industrial locations, you name it. You secure permission, do the paperwork, and the leg work, and explain your project, pay the fees if required and if you are refused DON'T GO THERE!

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rcarol

Many years ago, I was driving south on the 405 freeway in the Los Angeles basin at night. On the berm of the freeway, there was a model in a red gown posing for a photographer. She was being lit by a very bright floodlight. Anyone familiar with the Los Angeles freeways knows just how stupid this was.

gwilliams6

In reality, many "public" places have policy against model shoots, professional filming and/or commercial photography without prior written permission. The photographer and the model could have been made to stop and leave by security, or even arrested by the police for disturbing the peace.

The photographer and model took the chance that they would get their shots before anyone stopped them, and they probably got away with it, but they were wrong and acted unethically IMHO. And trust me the NY Library will be more vigilant now against other photographers trying the same stunts.

As a career pro that has photographed models in all types of locations indoors and outside, I always make myself aware of the rules in advance, even in "public" places. And I secure permission if necessary. Rules in public places for tourist shots are vastly different than rules for model shoots, videotaping , film crews, and/or any commercial shoots.

Know the rules and respect them for the sake of all photographers and the public.

Cheers and best to you all.

nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL

Yeah, it also doesn't say you can't crap anywhere you want!

gwilliams6

Yes truly stupid and unsafe as well as illegal along the side of an active highway. Los Angeles has some of the strictest rules about professional model shoots and any commercial filming without permits, due to all the TV and Movie industry there. Folks get away with it, but they are breaking the rules.

Cheers