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Mar 29, 2023 09:27:50   #
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Powergroove75 wrote:
Personally.... That photo has no horizon. No depth. Looks like it was a snapshot with a cell phone while walking a trail.

Maybe if shot from a lower angle it would make a difference.

Never saw necessity for a horizon or for depth. No problem with phone images.
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Mar 29, 2023 13:53:35   #
NickGee Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
PoppieJ wrote:
I have been making landscape pictures for some time now and have also been studying landscape photos made by others. The question is how important is a well defined subject and also is the subject or the story most important for the success of the picture? Sometimes I see landscapes with a well defined subject and other times I see landscapes that only have a story, or maybe I just don't understand subject. I have seen photographers who have said take your picture into photoshop and choose select subject to determine if the photo is good or not. I offer the below photo not for good or bad but just an illustration of a picture that I think tells a story but photoshop says that there is no subject. I know that some will say there is no place to look and some will look and see the story and say that the landscape itself is the subject. Anyway I wanted to offer this up for discussion, not good or bad but a photo with no well defined subject, and see what others thoughts are on this.
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Adobe's AI tools for selecting "subject" (in PS and Lightroom) pertains to selecting a person (or people) in the photo. When it tells you it can't find the subject, it's simply telling you it isn't able to locate any people in the photo.

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Mar 29, 2023 15:44:37   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
NickGee wrote:
Adobe's AI tools for selecting "subject" (in PS and Lightroom) pertains to selecting a person (or people) in the photo. When it tells you it can't find the subject, it's simply telling you it isn't able to locate any people in the photo.


But it will select main subjects which are not people (for instance, flowers), so I think it is saying it can't find any main subject.

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Mar 30, 2023 12:38:17   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
R.G. wrote:
.....it comes down to the photographer's ability to capture the beauty or atmosphere or interest in what they're seeing.... In addition to that we can also say it doesn't depend on there being a clear main subject in the scene....


I could also have added capturing a sense of place.

Capturing beauty or atmosphere or interest or a sense of place doesn't depend on there being a specific main subject in the scene. Succeeding with capturing any one of these will result in a successful photo.

OK, I think we've established that a specific subject (or subjects) is not essential for a good photo. But.... as a very general rule it's usually a positive if there's somewhere for the viewers' attention to gravitate towards and become a focus for their attention, especially if it clarifies or reinforces the photographer's intention. Not always, but usually.... which means that specific subjects have to be assessed on their own merits.

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Mar 30, 2023 12:46:19   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
R.G. wrote:
I could also have added capturing a sense of place.

Capturing beauty or atmosphere or interest or a sense of place doesn't depend on there being a specific main subject in the scene. Succeeding with capturing any one of these will result in a successful photo.

OK, I think we've established that a specific subject (or subjects) is not essential for a good photo. But.... as a very general rule it's usually a positive if there's somewhere for the viewers' attention to gravitate towards and become a focus for their attention, especially if it clarifies or reinforces the photographer's intention. Not always, but usually.... which means that specific subjects have to be assessed on their own merits.
I could also have added capturing a b sense of pl... (show quote)


True - for Scotland, the US and the Philippines - and everywhere else.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Mar 30, 2023 15:09:22   #
PoppieJ Loc: North Georgia
 
R.G. wrote:
I could also have added capturing a sense of place.

Capturing beauty or atmosphere or interest or a sense of place doesn't depend on there being a specific main subject in the scene. Succeeding with capturing any one of these will result in a successful photo.

OK, I think we've established that a specific subject (or subjects) is not essential for a good photo. But.... as a very general rule it's usually a positive if there's somewhere for the viewers' attention to gravitate towards and become a focus for their attention, especially if it clarifies or reinforces the photographer's intention. Not always, but usually.... which means that specific subjects have to be assessed on their own merits.
I could also have added capturing a b sense of pl... (show quote)



This pretty well sums up the question and the general consensus for most of the answers. So I guess as long as the photograph has a reason for being and pleases the photographer then it is at least somewhat successful.

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Mar 31, 2023 01:33:50   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
PoppieJ wrote:
.....as long as the photograph has a reason for being and pleases the photographer then it is at least somewhat successful.


The forum has been crying out for interesting topics like this one. Well done for starting it.

If we put our minds to it we could probably come up with quite a list of things that are desirable but not essential (like an effective foreground for example). But reality being what it is, we can't wait for perfection to come along so we have to learn to work with something less than perfect. Come to think of it, subject-less photos provide a welcome break from the same-old-same-old, and the same can be said for the rest of the generally accepted must-haves. Your question is just what we need to get us to do a re-think.

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Mar 31, 2023 06:16:58   #
PoppieJ Loc: North Georgia
 
R.G. wrote:
The forum has been crying out for interesting topics like this one. Well done for starting it.

If we put our minds to it we could probably come up with quite a list of things that are desirable but not essential (like an effective foreground for example). But reality being what it is, we can't wait for perfection to come along so we have to learn to work with something less than perfect. Come to think of it, subject-less photos provide a welcome break from the same-old-same-old, and the same can be said for the rest of the generally accepted must-haves. Your question is just what we need to get us to do a re-think.
The forum has been crying out for interesting topi... (show quote)


thanks and thanks for joining the discussion

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Apr 6, 2023 09:19:04   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto: "I think a strong, appealing composition is needed to draw the viewer into the photo and guide the eye around the scene."

Further, a photograph cannot tell a story in the conventional sense because it functions as a wordless medium of human expression. A photograph presents a visual account of a subject.
SWFeral wrote:
Not that I'm any expert but I shoot primarily landscapes and scenes from nature, and quite often I do not take a photo for its subject, but for the way shapes and lines strike me. I suppose that is why a lot of my photos of "real" scenes end up looking a bit abstract. I think a strong, appealing composition is needed to draw the viewer into the photo and guide the eye around the scene. Obviously is there is a definite subject you don't want it to be lost in an otherwise overly busy image. I like your snowy scene but I suppose the lower center is a bit vague and rather empty.
Not that I'm any expert but I shoot primarily land... (show quote)

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Apr 6, 2023 10:28:38   #
brentrh Loc: Deltona, FL
 
After many years as a photographer I have learned the box and other rules much prefer braking photography rules. You need to pull your eyes into photograph. Pick a subject in the photo then manipulate it to achieve your desired effect. Results can render breaking away from another photograph of that subject. Have had photography success with quite a number of followers and customers. Just get them pulled in with subject of your photograph

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Apr 6, 2023 10:55:32   #
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brentrh wrote:
After many years as a photographer I have learned the box and other rules much prefer braking photography rules. You need to pull your eyes into photograph. Pick a subject in the photo then manipulate it to achieve your desired effect. Results can render breaking away from another photograph of that subject. Have had photography success with quite a number of followers and customers. Just get them pulled in with subject of your photograph

A mime is a terrible thing to paste.

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Apr 6, 2023 17:56:41   #
Creative Images by Judy
 
Shoot for you. There are way to many experts that say shoot this way or shoot that way. Are you having fun? Do you like the result? Shoot it from different angles? We make thigs so complicated it kills me!!

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