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Mar 21, 2023 10:49:24   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
BigDaddy wrote:

... About everyone probably believes higher quality results can be obtained with higher quality equipment.

JD750 wrote:
That's exactly what I said. Many here believe that.

Yes, most people on earth believe that, because it's true.
BigDaddy wrote:
Otherwise, only a fool would buy expensive equipment, and all the pros would be using the cheapest crap they could find.
JD750 wrote:

I drew a distinctive difference between pros and others. Pros can definitely make use of the higher performance gear.

Everyone can take advantage of high quality equipment. Pros most socially redeeming quality is getting the subject and composition correct.
BigDaddy wrote:
Saying the camera doesn't matter is like saying Richard Petty could have won all his races in a stock Ford Pinto...

JD750 wrote:
I am willing to bet that with both you and him driving either the Pintos, or race cars, Mr Petty would beat you hands down, no contest.

Yeahbut, with Petty driving a stock Pinto, and me driving a 500+ HP car set up for racing, he would lose big time. Of course you would need to shave 50 or so years from our age...
BigDaddy wrote:

Next time you notice an especially fine resolution photo here in full download, look up the EXIF and see what the gear costs. You will find most of the time it's not cheap stuff, over $2k for camera and lens, often way over. The last one I looked at was around 9K for camera and lens. The one before that was 5K and before that was 3K
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JD750 wrote:

I guess that's what Im doing wrong. Unless the resolution is noticeably poor, I don't really notice the resolution. I look for emotional content, composition, lighting, story. That sort of thing. Of course proper focus and exposure are necessary conditions but not sufficient in and of themselves to create a great image.
JD750

Other than lighting, all those things can be accomplished with the $19 Vivitar. People don't spend big bucks on camera and lens for composition or emotional content. That story can be told with a box camera.

If you can't appreciate the high quality resolution an expensive, high quality camera and lens can give you compared to a $19 Vivitar, then yes, no need for all that expensive equipment. Otherwise, buy the best you can afford or what your photography is worth to you.

I gotta admit I don't recall ever seeing a photo taken with a $19 Vivitar from Best Buy. Perhaps the resolution is really is just as good as a $9000 camera and lens, but I seriously doubt it. If you know of one on the hog, post up the references as I did with the high dollar pics.

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Mar 21, 2023 11:21:34   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Other than lighting, all those things can be accomplished with the $19 Vivitar. People don't spend big bucks on camera and lens for composition or emotional content. That story can be told with a box camera.

If you can't appreciate the high quality resolution an expensive, high quality camera and lens can give you compared to a $19 Vivitar, then yes, no need for all that expensive equipment. Otherwise, buy the best you can afford or what your photography is worth to you.

I gotta admit I don't recall ever seeing a photo taken with a $19 Vivitar from Best Buy. Perhaps the resolution is really is just as good as a $9000 camera and lens, but I seriously doubt it. If you know of one on the hog, post up the references as I did with the high dollar pics.
Other than lighting, all those things can be accom... (show quote)


Mi don’t see the relevance of these words to a Ricoh “GR iii”. It really is a fine camera; comparing this camera to something by Vivitar is like comparing a Cadillac to a Chevy.

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Mar 21, 2023 11:39:57   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Yeahbut, with Petty driving a stock Pinto, and me driving a 500+ HP car set up for racing, he would lose big time. Of course you would need to shave 50 or so years from our age...

Even then I wound bet on Petty to win because skill matters. He would drive that Pinto to the edge of its capability, drifting in corners etc. You could not drive the race car to the edge of its performance zone and you would likely spin out or crash or he might bump you and make you crash.

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Mar 21, 2023 13:49:56   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
rehess wrote:
Mi don’t see the relevance of these words to a Ricoh “GR iii”. It really is a fine camera; comparing this camera to something by Vivitar is like comparing a Cadillac to a Chevy.

The OP question was:
"Does UHH frown on Ricoh owners? Just wondering because I don’t think I have ever seen a Ricoh post."
Others replied essentially that "it doesn't matter it's the nut behind the camera that matters"
My post is relevant to those statements. What I said is it DOES make a difference if you use a $19 Vivitar vs $9000 Nikon gear. I don't use Ricoh gear but I'd guess a $1000 Ricoh will produce better results than a $19 camera, and it does make a difference. I could be wrong, never using either.
Sounds like you also think it makes a difference?

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Mar 21, 2023 15:00:39   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
A camera is just a tool. Any camera can take good pictures or bad pictures. It depends on where you point it.

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Mar 21, 2023 15:10:57   #
Burkley Loc: Park City
 
Nice gear only helps me diminish the number of good shots gone bad because of technical issues like incorrect exposure and focus. I have utmost respect for those in a bygone era taking action sport shots or birding with a manual focus prime long lens. They to me are the Richard Petty’s of photography.

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Mar 21, 2023 19:02:20   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
The OP question was:
"Does UHH frown on Ricoh owners? Just wondering because I don’t think I have ever seen a Ricoh post."
Others replied essentially that "it doesn't matter it's the nut behind the camera that matters"
My post is relevant to those statements. What I said is it DOES make a difference if you use a $19 Vivitar vs $9000 Nikon gear. I don't use Ricoh gear but I'd guess a $1000 Ricoh will produce better results than a $19 camera, and it does make a difference. I could be wrong, never using either.
Sounds like you also think it makes a difference?
The OP question was: br i "Does UHH frown on... (show quote)

There are too many ‘answers’ in ignorance of a the Ricoh camera in question. Neither a $19 Vivitar nor a $9000 Nikon is likely to be close to the camera in question, nor close to the OP’s needs, so these questions sound relevant even though they aren’t.

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Mar 21, 2023 22:16:29   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Next time you notice an especially fine resolution photo here in full download, look up the EXIF and see what the gear costs. You will find most of the time it's not cheap stuff, over $2k for camera and lens, often way over. The last one I looked at was around 9K for camera and lens. The one before that was 5K and before that was 3K.
Thinking about what you said above, if your talking about medium format cameras, In that case due to the larger size of the sensor or medium larger optics, the results can be noticeably different from the 24x36 mm format.

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Mar 22, 2023 10:44:01   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
topcat wrote:
A camera is just a tool. Any camera can take good pictures or bad pictures. It depends on where you point it.

True that. However, the same guy pointing a $19 Vivitar and a $5000 Nikon at the same scene will get very different results as far as resolution goes. I know my 2mp Kodak DC280 I bought in 1998 gets no where near the results of my 24mp Nikon D5200, and I think my Nikon could perform a lot better with high quality (expensive) glass.

Pretty certain I'd be VERY happy to own a Nikon Z9 and also certain my photo's would benefit from the purchase.

On the other hand, I'm not too unhappy with my Iphone camera, but then it takes much better photo's than that old Kodak but not quite up to par with my D5200. My Panasonic FZ18 is my favorite camera, super fun to use. The only issue for me was the image quality could have been a bit better, although not too shabby for a $300 camera. I'm guessing the Z9 would knock it's socks off. I could be wrong of course.

Speaking of which, If I were relegated to one handed shooting, a cell phone is certainly light enough, and a billion or so one handed cell phone selfies are taken every day. Sooo, if camera's don't matter, then what's wrong with the guy using a cell phone?

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Mar 22, 2023 10:59:54   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Pretty certain I'd be VERY happy to own a Nikon Z9 and also certain my photo's would benefit from the purchase.

Ok so what are you waiting for? Buy the Z9.

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Mar 22, 2023 11:55:00   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
JD750 wrote:
Ok so what are you waiting for? Buy the Z9.

The amount of photo's I take today and what I do with them doesn't come close to justifying the expense. I can't even justify buying a high quality lens for my current camera. I'm quite happy editing my kids pictures they send me from their cell phones. If I were younger I probably would already own a Z9, or more likely a Panasonic mirrorless.

I've been quite happy with my Panasonic camera's and spend a fair amount of time suppressing the gas to move up to one of those puppies. I tell myself I don't take enough pics to justify the bucks, and at my age may not be around long enough anyway. On the other hand, perhaps I would take more pics with a new camera and what the heck, can't take the money with you. It's a battle, and so far, I'm winning😁

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Mar 22, 2023 17:26:53   #
keywest305 Loc: Baltimore Md.
 
I went from the D850 to Z9 after a lot of thought. I told my wife some guys sit in bars and some gamble or have expensive cars or motorcycles as hobbies. I have a camera as my main hobby so at my age 64 I worked my whole life giving to the family and my kids needs. Now their all grown and married so now I retired and deserve this camera. I do really think this camera is fabulous. This will be my last upgrade though.

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Mar 23, 2023 00:22:57   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
BigDaddy wrote:
The amount of photo's I take today and what I do with them doesn't come close to justifying the expense. I can't even justify buying a high quality lens for my current camera. I'm quite happy editing my kids pictures they send me from their cell phones. If I were younger I probably would already own a Z9, or more likely a Panasonic mirrorless.

I've been quite happy with my Panasonic camera's and spend a fair amount of time suppressing the gas to move up to one of those puppies. I tell myself I don't take enough pics to justify the bucks, and at my age may not be around long enough anyway. On the other hand, perhaps I would take more pics with a new camera and what the heck, can't take the money with you. It's a battle, and so far, I'm winning😁
The amount of photo's I take today and what I do w... (show quote)

I understand.

But if you like taking photos, you use the camera, it is something you like to do, maybe that is the justification. I shoot M43 as well it is a very good format with good IQ.

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Mar 23, 2023 11:00:20   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Speaking of which, If I were relegated to one handed shooting, a cell phone is certainly light enough, and a billion or so one handed cell phone selfies are taken every day. Sooo, if camera's don't matter, then what's wrong with the guy using a cell phone?

Nothing is wrong with it per se, but a cell phone tends to lack control.

A Ricoh GR - which this is supposedly about - provides that control.

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