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Mar 5, 2023 23:32:32   #
CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas
 
My goal is to build a desktop computer to support Adobe\Topaz for the foreseeable future. Here is where I am so far:
Motherboard: Asus ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi
Memory: 64 - DDR5 6000
GPU: RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition
Processor: i9 13th Generation (13900k)
Hard Drives: (2) Stata SSD
Power Supply: 1350
Monitor: (2) BenQ SW270C
Understanding what Adobe does now regarding maximum impacts (cores, threads, video memory) and where it might be going with AI, the following configuration should take me X into the future. Your thoughts?

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Mar 5, 2023 23:37:27   #
Busbum Loc: 85367
 
Might want to install a CPU cooler...

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Mar 6, 2023 04:54:11   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
For a good combination of performance and durability, check out the Seagate Firecuda 530 SSDs.

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Mar 6, 2023 05:22:32   #
Revet Loc: Fairview Park, Ohio
 
I assume with a 1350 PSU, you are leaving yourself room to grow. That is way over what is needed for your components. Unless of course, you have plans of adding a 4090 in the near future!!!!!!!!!!!! If you have any overclocking plans, consider an AIO liquid cooling system for the CPU.

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Mar 6, 2023 07:36:11   #
wireloose
 
You’re going to want an Nvme m2 SSD, I think this board takes gen4, several times faster than SATA. Nice rig!

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Mar 6, 2023 08:07:33   #
CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas
 
Some of you have noted that cooling is going to be an issue. I think you are correct. Liquid cooling to some degree is available but does not include GPU. Revet is correct regarding cooling and GPU 4090. Build it yourself or have it built is running between $5k and $6k. There is a Dell Alienware with 4090 and when you look for comments\reviews it appears to have over heating issues. One Dell employee comment stated to completely liquid cool would increase the cost over $7k.

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Mar 6, 2023 08:14:38   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
CliffMcKenzie wrote:
My goal is to build a desktop computer to support Adobe\Topaz for the foreseeable future. Here is where I am so far:
Motherboard: Asus ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi
Memory: 64 - DDR5 6000
GPU: RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition
Processor: i9 13th Generation (13900k)
Hard Drives: (2) Stata SSD
Power Supply: 1350
Monitor: (2) BenQ SW270C
Understanding what Adobe does now regarding maximum impacts (cores, threads, video memory) and where it might be going with AI, the following configuration should take me X into the future. Your thoughts?
My goal is to build a desktop computer to support ... (show quote)


Now the only thing to wonder about besides a liquid cooling system is if it will be upgradable to win12 & 13?
Enjoy your new computer & happy editing.

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Mar 6, 2023 09:00:31   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Unless you are processing thousands of images at a time on a daily basis, you are wasting your money. The difference in processing a thousand images on you dream computer vs on a computer costing less than $2,000 will only be in a few minutes. Knowing what is worth doing is just as important as knowing what you can do.

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Mar 6, 2023 09:20:32   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
jackpinoh wrote:
Unless you are processing thousands of images at a time on a daily basis, you are wasting your money. The difference in processing a thousand images on you dream computer vs on a computer costing less than $2,000 will only be in a few minutes. Knowing what is worth doing is just as important as knowing what you can do.


You are dreaming. The $2,000 may get you by for while but if you want more or better versions of tools such as AI they will be chewing up your resources until your system behaves like an original DOS.

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Mar 6, 2023 11:22:35   #
flferg Loc: Driftwood, TX
 
CliffMcKenzie wrote:
Some of you have noted that cooling is going to be an issue. I think you are correct. Liquid cooling to some degree is available but does not include GPU. Revet is correct regarding cooling and GPU 4090. Build it yourself or have it built is running between $5k and $6k. There is a Dell Alienware with 4090 and when you look for comments\reviews it appears to have over heating issues. One Dell employee comment stated to completely liquid cool would increase the cost over $7k.


I just finished building a new computer using a MSI Pro Z690-A WiFi MB, an i7 12700K, RX6700 XT 12 GB video card, Cooler Master MB600L V2 case, MSI MAG Coreliquid P240 CPU cooler, 2 - Samsung 980 Pro SSD 1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen4 Gaming M.2, 32 GB DDR5 RAM and a Corsair 850w power supply. I used pcpartpicker to shop for parts and after you finish it will list the prices by vendor so you can see where to get the best prices. The app also checks parts compatibility as you go. I ended up buying parts from Best Buy, Amazon, B&H and Newegg and my total was about $1600. Your selection of the i9 processor, MB, PS, 64 GB RAM, and video card would obviously run several hundred $ more each in some cases but I don't see how you could possibly get to $5-7K unless that included a monitor. Another good resource for deciding on a CPU is www.techrankup.com. It shows that the i7 12700K achieves about 94% of the performance of the i9 13900K. I haven't finished benchmarking my system yet but it will process a 30 GB (24 mp) file in Topaz Denoise in about 1 sec.

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Mar 6, 2023 12:03:05   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
CliffMcKenzie wrote:
My goal is to build a desktop computer to support Adobe\Topaz for the foreseeable future. Here is where I am so far:
Motherboard: Asus ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi
Memory: 64 - DDR5 6000
GPU: RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition
Processor: i9 13th Generation (13900k)
Hard Drives: (2) Stata SSD
Power Supply: 1350
Monitor: (2) BenQ SW270C
Understanding what Adobe does now regarding maximum impacts (cores, threads, video memory) and where it might be going with AI, the following configuration should take me X into the future. Your thoughts?
My goal is to build a desktop computer to support ... (show quote)


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I would choose Corsair memory - 64 GB is fine

The RTX 3070TI or Radeon RX 6800 XT (both faster) are good alternatives to the 2080Ti depending on price.

Why Strata SSDs? If you’re referring to Toshiba’s OCZ SSDs, Samsung 980 Pros are cheaper, faster and have a longer reputation

The Power supply is way overkill. Even with a hot, fast GPU, 850W is fine with plenty of room to spare

You need a CPU cooler and case fans. Personally, I like CoolMaster and unless you overclock, water cooling is unnecessary (but nothing wrong with it). Use at least 2 good sized case fans to remove all the heat generated by the CPU and especially graphics card.

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Mar 6, 2023 12:04:01   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
flferg wrote:
I just finished building a new computer using a MSI Pro Z690-A WiFi MB, an i7 12700K, RX6700 XT 12 GB video card, Cooler Master MB600L V2 case, MSI MAG Coreliquid P240 CPU cooler, 2 - Samsung 980 Pro SSD 1 TB PCIe NVMe Gen4 Gaming M.2, 32 GB DDR5 RAM and a Corsair 850w power supply. I used pcpartpicker to shop for parts and after you finish it will list the prices by vendor so you can see where to get the best prices. The app also checks parts compatibility as you go. I ended up buying parts from Best Buy, Amazon, B&H and Newegg and my total was about $1600. Your selection of the i9 processor, MB, PS, 64 GB RAM, and video card would obviously run several hundred $ more each in some cases but I don't see how you could possibly get to $5-7K unless that included a monitor. Another good resource for deciding on a CPU is www.techrankup.com. It shows that the i7 12700K achieves about 94% of the performance of the i9 13900K. I haven't finished benchmarking my system yet but it will process a 30 GB (24 mp) file in Topaz Denoise in about 1 sec.
I just finished building a new computer using a MS... (show quote)


Thanks for this information. Very helpful. Jim

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Mar 6, 2023 12:06:47   #
BebuLamar
 
pithydoug wrote:
You are dreaming. The $2,000 may get you by for while but if you want more or better versions of tools such as AI they will be chewing up your resources until your system behaves like an original DOS.


Orginal DOS doesn't have a lot of features but it's quite fast. How do I know? I still use it daily.

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Mar 6, 2023 12:18:15   #
photoman43
 
A friend of mine who knows more tech stuff than I do, says i9 may not provide much more photo processing power than an i7 processor and the i9 will generate more heat. The i7 he usually recommends is the 12th generation Intel Core i7-12700H.

Just make sure the GPU has enough RAM on it and the ports needed for your monitor or monitors.

There are lots of articles comparing the various i9 and i7 processors.

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Mar 6, 2023 12:28:00   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
photoman43 wrote:
...There are lots of articles comparing the various i9 and i7 processors.


The OP mentioned AI. Apparently AI applications benefit from a large CPU cache and a high clock rate for the individual cores. Any comparison should take those factors into account.

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