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Mar 1, 2023 16:43:55   #
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Architect1776 wrote:
You appear to be a collector that I was referring to.

"Appears" ? What seems apparent to YOU with your trollish biased mind is exactly that, and nothing more. Im not averse to feeding a troll. I come here mainly for the entertainment that you provide. Keep on keepin on !

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Mar 1, 2023 16:49:35   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Timmers wrote:
I had no idea what a pancake lens was, so I looked it up on the web. Appears to be such a new idea after I read for a minute, then it came to me. It had already been done. As usual, E. Leitz had it first in a way.

The Leica 28mm f6.3 Hectar. Ernst Leitz requested the first interchangeable lens to be made for his new camera the Leica. Designed and built by the microscopic division of Leitz Optics in Wetzler. The lens can be focused by turning its focus ring. Interestingly enough is that if you set the lens to its smallest aperture and turn the lens focus ring from the infinity position to its closest place the lens will deliver a sharp image from some 18 inches in front of the lens past infinity. The glass in the lens is tiny and is quite complex in its construction. KEH sells the used Leica lenses for around $25.
I had no idea what a pancake lens was, so I looked... (show quote)


Pancake lenses are not a new idea.

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Mar 1, 2023 16:51:03   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
User ID wrote:
I have several of them. They are vastly preferable over other types. Given up on all other types as nothing else compares.

Whatever cannot be photographed using a pancake really isnt photogenic anywho.



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Mar 1, 2023 16:53:09   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
They are the rage of reviewers but are never seen in real life.


Well then, I must be a reviewer.



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Mar 1, 2023 16:53:22   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Longshadow wrote:
I guess because they're small and unobtrusive? Maybe they're neat?
I have no need or desire for getting one.


That's probably because it does not meet your shooting requirements. I'm sure you must have lenses that I would never purchase because they don't meet mine.

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Mar 1, 2023 16:55:55   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
The name pancake lens is but another fad name, it means nothing. In truth these are simply wide angle lenses, nothing more. Because they are wide angle lenses they are usually the last type of lens for most armature/beginners to use and more over to master.

One needs to conceptualize their application and understand their use. Once that is mastered the photographer will realize the great potential this lens type is for image making.

An excellent example is with the basic idea of a basic approach to landscape photography. As well all are taught, landscape can be organized into three regions, foreground, middle ground, and background. The simplest manner for landscape is to choose two of these and downplay or 'discard' the third area.

But what about landscapes that really only have two strong areas to them. The perfect example of this is in the West Texas Land. There the middle ground just is not often there to make strong images. A solution is to locate a rock or plant that forms the foreground of an image. Mostly then, drop down and get close to this subject. Using a wide angle lens, fill the frame with a mind to including the far distant area to give a sense of the immensity. This can also work with street images where the background is used to 'locate' the environment of what you are telling the story about. If the primary subject is a person, remember to keep the person's head in the center of the view finder to reduce distortion and as you view the scene plan one side of the frame to be cropped so the subject does not look overly centered in the frame (old film trick), and so you have subject and their location/environment welded together as a single frame story.

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Mar 1, 2023 16:56:34   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
User ID wrote:
I have several of them. They are vastly preferable over other types. Given up on all other types as nothing else compares.

Whatever cannot be photographed using a pancake really isnt photogenic anywho.


Love the VL Color-Skopar. Athough small, I am not certain it qualifies as a pancake lines...but who cares. By the way, what adapter did you use to mount the Nikkor lens on the Canon body?

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Mar 1, 2023 17:52:05   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Timmers wrote:
The name pancake lens is but another fad name, it means nothing.


It is a descriptive term used by many, so it means something. Maybe it means nothing to you, but that's no reason to dismiss it.

Nikon uses it:

NIKKOR Z 26mm f/2.8 is a pancake prime born for the streets.

From Shotkit:

A pancake lens is a colloquial term for a lens that’s shorter than it is wide – hence looking like a ‘pancake’. Due to their compacted dimensions, pancake lenses are usually fixed focal length (‘prime’) lenses. They’re also much smaller and lighter than a regular lens.

https://shotkit.com/best-pancake-lens/

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Mar 1, 2023 18:24:49   #
NickGee Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Why do people get all hyped up over pancake lenses?
Do they buy just to be hip but never use them and go back to the standard range zoom lens after a couple of hours leaving the pancake on the shelf collecting dust?


Why do people get all hyped up over how other people feel about pancake lenses?
Do they act this way just to be hip but don't really care and then just go back to being an ass-hat after hours of trolling others for their lens choices?

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Mar 1, 2023 18:48:49   #
BebuLamar
 
I never like the pancake lenses. They look ugly. I don't think they save room or weight. I am not sure if they are sharper than regular lenses but I doubt it.

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Mar 1, 2023 18:57:08   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Photo-slang evolves. New "terms" are continuously added. Some words survive for ages until whatever they are related to becomes obsolete or disappears. As technologies improve and change so does the nicknames and buzzword we use to describe equipment, methods, materials, and procedures. We no longer regularly "pull prints proofs" in a darkroom. Seen a "Big Bertha " lens lately? The rapid fixer is made of Sodium Thithiosulfate Pentahydrate, Sodium Metabisulfite, and Acetic- Acid- they still called it HYPO. How about a "Turtle" based light stand? Can we use a "beauty dish" on an ugly subject? Just add acronyms, abbreviations, and more technobabble and after a while, we have a foreign language.

A "pancake lens" is kinda physically flat so it is lightweight and low profile. They are usually normal or wide-angle focal lengths.

Or perhaps they are necessary if you need to photograph pancakes, flapjacks, or latkas! Only surpassed by a "pancake camera"!





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Mar 1, 2023 19:26:26   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Bill_de wrote:
It is a descriptive term used by many, so it means something. Maybe it means nothing to you, but that's no reason to dismiss it.

Nikon uses it:

NIKKOR Z 26mm f/2.8 is a pancake prime born for the streets.

From Shotkit:

A pancake lens is a colloquial term for a lens that’s shorter than it is wide – hence looking like a ‘pancake’. Due to their compacted dimensions, pancake lenses are usually fixed focal length (‘prime’) lenses. They’re also much smaller and lighter than a regular lens.

https://shotkit.com/best-pancake-lens/

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It is a descriptive term used by many, so it means... (show quote)


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Mar 1, 2023 19:39:20   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Photo-slang evolves. New "terms" are continuously added. Some words survive for ages until whatever they are related to becomes obsolete or disappears. As technologies improve and change so does the nicknames and buzzword we use to describe equipment, methods, materials, and procedures. We no longer regularly "pull prints proofs" in a darkroom. Seen a "Big Bertha " lens lately? The rapid fixer is made of Sodium Thithiosulfate Pentahydrate, Sodium Metabisulfite, and Acetic- Acid- they still called it HYPO. How about a "Turtle" based light stand? Can we use a "beauty dish" on an ugly subject? Just add acronyms, abbreviations, and more technobabble and after a while, we have a foreign language.

A "pancake lens" is kinda physically flat so it is lightweight and low profile. They are usually normal or wide-angle focal lengths.

Or perhaps they are necessary if you need to photograph pancakes, flapjacks, or latkas! Only surpassed by a "pancake camera"!
Photo-slang evolves. New "terms" are con... (show quote)


I've already had dinner, but I think it will be pancakes for breakfast. I have a griddle that my mother bought at the 1939 World's Fair in N.Y.

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Mar 1, 2023 19:55:08   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Timmers wrote:
The name pancake lens is but another fad name, it means nothing. In truth these are simply wide angle lenses, nothing more. Because they are wide angle lenses they are usually the last type of lens for most armature/beginners to use and more over to master.

One needs to conceptualize their application and understand their use. Once that is mastered the photographer will realize the great potential this lens type is for image making.

An excellent example is with the basic idea of a basic approach to landscape photography. As well all are taught, landscape can be organized into three regions, foreground, middle ground, and background. The simplest manner for landscape is to choose two of these and downplay or 'discard' the third area.

But what about landscapes that really only have two strong areas to them. The perfect example of this is in the West Texas Land. There the middle ground just is not often there to make strong images. A solution is to locate a rock or plant that forms the foreground of an image. Mostly then, drop down and get close to this subject. Using a wide angle lens, fill the frame with a mind to including the far distant area to give a sense of the immensity. This can also work with street images where the background is used to 'locate' the environment of what you are telling the story about. If the primary subject is a person, remember to keep the person's head in the center of the view finder to reduce distortion and as you view the scene plan one side of the frame to be cropped so the subject does not look overly centered in the frame (old film trick), and so you have subject and their location/environment welded together as a single frame story.
The name pancake lens is but another fad name, it ... (show quote)

"The name pancake lens is but another fad name, it means nothing. In truth these are simply wide angle lenses, nothing more."

That is only partly accurate. They are called pancake lenses because they are very flat. The term is not a fad, but rather an apt physical description that clearly differentiates them from other lenses. In addition, they are available up to around 50mm which I wouldn't call particularly wide angle.

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Mar 1, 2023 19:58:13   #
BebuLamar
 
Bill_de wrote:
I've already had dinner, but I think it will be pancakes for breakfast. I have a griddle that my mother bought at the 1939 World's Fair in N.Y.

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Yeah! Pancakes are a lot better than pancake lenses.

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