Is it time to change from Adobe cc? I have been using ACC for years and paying $10 per month. I mainly use Bridge and PS never LR. I have never used Elements and my question is how...

philo Loc: philo, ca

I have been using ACC for years and paying $10 per month.
I mainly use Bridge and PS never LR.
I have never used Elements and my question is how does Elements stack up to PS?

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

philo wrote:

I have been using ACC for years and paying $10 per month.
I mainly use Bridge and PS never LR.
I have never used Elements and my question is how does Elements stack up to PS?

Refusing to use Lightroom, the most popular of all Adobe software, is your own self-limiting decision. Why did you make that decision and why do you persist in that refusal?

The biggest technical difference of PSElements is the 8-bit limit in layers. Do you shoot RAW? If yes, then whenever you need to invoke a layer-based tool in PSE, your higher bit-depth image file is forced to 8-bit, same as JPEG.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

"I have never used Elements and my question is how does Elements stack up to PS?"

Why is a long story, but I have current versions of everything Adobe makes. The answer to your question depends entirely on what you do with your image files. It also depends on what you think you might do with your image files. Sometimes I like Elements better, sometimes not.

Double check, but I'm pretty sure Bridge is given out for free, whether you have a subscription or not.

Photoshop Elements has a free trial period followed by a 30 day money back guarantee. In other words, you can buy it and try it before you give up your $10 per month subscription. A couple times a year it will be priced at $60, normally it is $100.

BebuLamar

CHG_CANON wrote:

Refusing to use Lightroom, the most popular of all Adobe software, is your own self-limiting decision. Why did you make that decision and why do you persist in that refusal?

The biggest technical difference of PSElements is the 8-bit limit in layers. Do you shoot RAW? If yes, then whenever you need to invoke a layer-based tool in PSE, your higher bit-depth image file is forced to 8-bit, same as JPEG.

I don't like LR because of its cataloging function. If I don't have to do the importing before working on the image I would use LR because I don't really need the more powerful editing capabilities of PS.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

BebuLamar wrote:

I don't like LR because of its cataloging function. If I don't have to do the importing before working on the image I would use LR because I don't really need the more powerful editing capabilities of PS.

Put your files where they belong, first, then import from that source folder via the 'Add' function. Don't move your files around afterward. Then, that cataloging function should be a non issue. You don't have to keyword. You don't have to form collections. Limiting your use of the tool is your self-limiting decision, but not anything the tool does to limit your success.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

philo wrote:

I have been using ACC for years and paying $10 per month.
I mainly use Bridge and PS never LR.
I have never used Elements and my question is how does Elements stack up to PS?

I don't use Lightroom either. Photoshop and Bridge are sufficient for almost anything. Of course, you should be using Adobe Camera Raw in Photoshop which is exactly the same as using Lightroom's Develop module.

The distinguishing thing about Lightroom is the data management feature. Since I don't have a collection of over 200,000 images to search through I do fine with Bridge and Photoshop alone. And remember, Lightroom's management feature means active maintenance on your part to benefit from it. I can't remember the last time I couldn't find what I was looking for on my computer.

terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains

Fotoartist wrote:

I don't use Lightroom either. Photoshop and Bridge... (show quote)

I refuse to use Lightroom as do some of the best and most popular Photoshop presenters on the web. After having to reconstruct the clunky database several times and after tiring of import-this export-that, and with Bridge having all the favorites, collections, smart collections, keywording, search and what have you that I will ever need, I see no need for the redundancy of two Camera Raws.

Plus, Photoshop's tools for every photographic need are far superior to Camera Raw's. There are no layers, so no compositing; selection tools are limited to imprecise automatic or brushing them in. You might as well use a phone app.

Oddly enough, most of the people I have had this discussion with who are "not limiting themselves" by using Lightroom exclusively will admit it is because they can't fathom Photoshop, and Lightroom is just easier.

So is Remini.

philo Loc: philo, ca

Fotoartist wrote:

I don't use Lightroom either. Photoshop and Bridge... (show quote)

l feel the same

Bill_de Loc: US

philo wrote:

I have been using ACC for years and paying $10 per month.
I mainly use Bridge and PS never LR.
I have never used Elements and my question is how does Elements stack up to PS?

I used PS almost from its inception, up until they started with the 'pay to use it or lose it' scheme. I had Elements on the shelf, never used. So, I started using it. I found that "FOR ME" Elements does almost everything I want. I sometimes use my old PS program for printing, and do play around with other programs I have acquired over the years.

I would never recommend any program as your absolute solution. I found the one(s) that work for me without shelling out every month/year.

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bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

So far in this topic it seems that none see the current Lightroom system any different than it was in version 6. If none of the changes, improvements or updates mean anything to you, you should obsoletely quit your subscription and move on!

kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy

CHG_CANON wrote:

Refusing to use Lightroom, the most popular of all Adobe software, is your own self-limiting decision. Why did you make that decision and why do you persist in that refusal?

The biggest technical difference of PSElements is the 8-bit limit in layers. Do you shoot RAW? If yes, then whenever you need to invoke a layer-based tool in PSE, your higher bit-depth image file is forced to 8-bit, same as JPEG.

I personally despise LR and stopped using it years ago. I don't like to have to have my files organized by proprietary s/w. I get along fine in Windows and Bridge.

ronichas Loc: Long Island

CHG_CANON wrote:

Refusing to use Lightroom, the most popular of all Adobe software, is your own self-limiting decision. Why did you make that decision and why do you persist in that refusal?

I have been using photoshop for over 25 years. This was long before lightroom came out. I have never been able to successfully transition to lightroom. I use bridge, ACR and photoshop. I spoke with Dave Cross, one of the photoshop guys about this. I was attending one of his lightroom classes. He told me he had to teach lightroom but he doesn't use it in his own workflow, he uses bridge, ACR and photoshop.

I think you do a disservice to others by insulting them with your words of *self limiting decision*.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

I guess maybe I have self limited myself also but I just did not like the catalog feature of LR as I was installing and ceased doing so... ACR has worked really well but looking back at how ALL my files are a little scattered to say the least , maybe I made a bad choice. After proclaiming in another post about stepping out of the box I am going to reevaluate... It is getting harder and harder to find things anymore. The " Basic " screen as Kelby calls it in ACR is just so darn easy and effective.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

Fotoartist wrote:

I don't use Lightroom either. Photoshop and Bridge are sufficient for almost anything...
The distinguishing thing about Lightroom is the data management feature. Since I don't have a collection of over 200,000 images to search through I do fine with Bridge and Photoshop alone. And remember, Lightroom's management feature means active maintenance on your part to benefit from it. I can't remember the last time I couldn't find what I was looking for on my computer.

Young Whippersnapper!!

When you get older like me you will have problems finding images from a pile as small as 10,000.

I use LR for management and as long as I follow my normal workflow, the LR management requires no maintenance.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

bsprague wrote:

... you should obsoletely quit your subscription and move on!

Nice turn of phrase.