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Jan 24, 2023 23:14:55   #
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Luft93 wrote:
Anything is possible in this crazy world. Some group will think is a good thing to try.
Back in college days I joined PSA for a couple years and had slides accepted at salons. A 1950 article in the journal titled How to Please the Judges end r that membership. What rot! Never entered anything like that again-

You GO, girl !!! Rawwwwwk on !

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Jan 24, 2023 23:25:43   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
User ID wrote:
One thing you can learn is to please judges, aka gaming the rules. Is there a second thing ?


I’m pretty sure there’s not much you can learn. I mean I’m sure there’s plenty out there for you to learn I just don’t think you can learn it. 😜🤪

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Jan 24, 2023 23:35:13   #
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SuperflyTNT wrote:
I’m pretty sure there’s not much you can learn. I mean I’m sure there’s plenty out there for you to learn I just don’t think you can learn it. 😜🤪

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Jan 25, 2023 00:22:44   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
User ID wrote:
I simply consider the source.




As do I.

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Jan 25, 2023 00:36:46   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I’m pretty sure there’s not much you can learn. I mean I’m sure there’s plenty out there for you to learn I just don’t think you can learn it. 😜🤪


Hey you don't to learn anything if you already "know it all"

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Jan 25, 2023 01:26:30   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
How do you really feel? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I always have said " compete against yourself, not others, and you will always win.


...well, win some, lose quite a few. ;0)

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Jan 25, 2023 04:09:40   #
Nigel7 Loc: Worcestershire. UK.
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
I think the club style contest is the best learning experience you get. Every meeting you bring forward your best work and the judge may say “I like that one” and then in detail tells you how to improve it seemingly ripping it to shreds. That rock is too bright and draws the eye away from… or darken the sky a bit this is not a picture of the sky… or tighten the crop a bit that will … . If you came to have your ego puffed you will be disappointed and angry. But if you came to learn you will see the judge has pushed you away from good toward great. You might appreciate that mean judge.
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I completely agree. I have been a member of my local photographic society for 37 years and have enjoyed all the monthly competitions, whether I have entered or not. They are firstly a great source of learning and secondly some light hearted competition between friends. As far as judges are concerned some, of course, are better than others. Ones I particularly admire are those who will say words to the effect "this is not a subject which I personally enjoy but it is a very good and worthy example so I will give it an award". For 7 years I was Competition Secretary so it fell on me to book good judges. There was only one in all that time that I marked in my records never to invite back.

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Jan 25, 2023 07:49:44   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
NickGee wrote:
Photo contents are stupid and a waste of time and energy. You don't need (fake) validation like that to enjoy your hobby. Such things appeal largely to praise whores.


Obviously you consider what you do as trash and not good enough, ever.

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Jan 25, 2023 09:26:26   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
User ID wrote:
Have no great disagreement with the overall tone or contents of your comments. I would only point out out that I was never informed of the gamelike rules before I said Yes to a request from a coworker. It was as simple as the college photo instructor asks the college photographer for a favor, a seemingly very suitable favor. The page of rules I recieved on arriving offended me. I could not accommodate it.

FWIW I was on a three judge panel, so its not as if I could completely upset the applecart. I could, at most, be somewhat disruptive of status quo that encourages producing mind numbingly boring photos.

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I could have politely informed them, on seeing the rules, that they were having a two judge panel without me. Instead I harbored hope that there would be some (many?) stimulating photos in the mix to which I could assign high scores despite ignoring the rules.

I lost that gamble. There was a parade of boring cliches that for the most part ticked many of the boxes to earn good scores. But, I cannot reward mediocrity even faced with a system engineered to do so, so I departed from the system.

Cliches have a useful purpose as compact easily digested messages. I cranked out cliches to deliver the colleges messages "Great Athletic Program", "Up to date technology", "Diverse community" come to our campus for all that. Unfortunately Photo Society generated cliches had no message or purpose other than to tick boxes on the scoring sheet. As you say, its a game (I dont watch game shows).

Thanks for letting me bend your ear !
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I read most of your posts, and always enjoy your frankness although you post an occasional image that goes over my head, for the most part, fun.
Thanks for bending my ear, thats why I'm here.

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Jan 25, 2023 09:49:45   #
AZNikon Loc: Mesa, AZ
 
NickGee wrote:
Photo contents are stupid and a waste of time and energy. You don't need (fake) validation like that to enjoy your hobby. Such things appeal largely to praise whores.


Ouch!

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Jan 25, 2023 09:51:20   #
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RodeoMan wrote:
Hey you don't to learn anything if you already "know it all"

One can reach a point where the only source for further learning is to learn from oneself. That becomes a richer source than could be derived from all others combined.

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Jan 25, 2023 09:51:28   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Nigel7 wrote:
I completely agree. I have been a member of my local photographic society for 37 years and have enjoyed all the monthly competitions, whether I have entered or not. They are firstly a great source of learning and secondly some light hearted competition between friends. As far as judges are concerned some, of course, are better than others. Ones I particularly admire are those who will say words to the effect "this is not a subject which I personally enjoy but it is a very good and worthy example so I will give it an award". For 7 years I was Competition Secretary so it fell on me to book good judges. There was only one in all that time that I marked in my records never to invite back.
I completely agree. I have been a member of my loc... (show quote)

Out of Curiosity, was his name UserID?😜

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Jan 25, 2023 10:06:46   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
JD750 wrote:
This is not meant to be a criticism of human judges. But judging photo contests, or any event, different judges will award more or less for different criteria. We see this in judged athletic events where there can be a considerable spread of points from multiple judges.

Sometimes I look at photo contest results and I like one of the runner ups better than the winners. Of course I’m not an expert judge and I’m not privy to the criteria the judges used, but I know what I like and I can see inconsistency if it exists.

It is only natural for human preferences and biases and even politics, to creep in when humans are judging contests.

Computers as we know are devoid of emotion, and when given proper programming they are very good at quantifying large amounts of data and comparing it objectively to criteria.

My question:
How long will it be before AI replaces or at least supplements humans In judging photo contests?
This is not meant to be a criticism of human judge... (show quote)


I cannot speak to the idea of AI judging photo contests, but recently my local area water company had a contest for photos of the local area reservoirs for water storage. One of the rules was no alteration of the photo was allowed. The rules were that no post processing or adjustments to the photo be made. They wanted to level the playing field for all contestants.

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Jan 25, 2023 11:57:17   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
JD750 wrote:
This is not meant to be a criticism of human judges. But judging photo contests, or any event, different judges will award more or less for different criteria. We see this in judged athletic events where there can be a considerable spread of points from multiple judges.

Sometimes I look at photo contest results and I like one of the runner ups better than the winners. Of course I’m not an expert judge and I’m not privy to the criteria the judges used, but I know what I like and I can see inconsistency if it exists.

It is only natural for human preferences and biases and even politics, to creep in when humans are judging contests.

Computers as we know are devoid of emotion, and when given proper programming they are very good at quantifying large amounts of data and comparing it objectively to criteria.

My question:
How long will it be before AI replaces or at least supplements humans In judging photo contests?
This is not meant to be a criticism of human judge... (show quote)


There is, however, a fly in your ointment. Your "proper programming" is done by humans - with either flaws or agendas, and frequently, BOTH!!! (A current example is the "scientific data" presented in support of politically motivated positions - garbage in, garbage out!!!) SO, who is to be the final judge???

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jan 25, 2023 12:36:31   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
User ID wrote:
One can reach a point where the only source for further learning is to learn from oneself. That becomes a richer source than could be derived from all others combined.

You might learn more about yourself, but you cannot teach yourself that which you do not know. You might learn new information from trial and error, but without an 3rd patty interceder how would you know if you were learning poor habits or not?

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