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Jan 24, 2023 00:20:27   #
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Charles 46277 wrote:
The proposal was for autofocus based on the aperture set, for hyperfocal distance when set for that... It would save calculating this at the time and setting it manually.

You dont need that feature, and you dont need the calculation, the results of which will just mislead and confuse you anywho. The second paragraph of your initial post informs me of that. With the progress of this thread under your belt, reread that short paragraph and rethink it.

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Jan 24, 2023 05:50:08   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
I just got a new Canon 17mm RF lens, and the lens does not have a manual-focus switch--you have to set that in the camera menu. The only time I might use this would be probably (sometimes) in macro mode (which not what I bought this lens for).

However this lens is generally in focus at any distance because the hyperfocal range is so vast. At f4, it is sharp from 2 meters out (focused on 4 meters).

Naturally I will be focusing on the main subject (auto or manually), but for walking around shooting scenes, wouldn't it be nice if wide angle lenses had three focus settings: manual, auto, and hyper-auto? This would set the distance according to the aperture selected (in Canon AV mode). Of course we can do this manually ourselves--if we happen to have a hyperfocal distance chart in hand; but I can't remember the whole chart, so auto would be brilliant. (Lenses that have hyperfocal ranges on the lens do this for manual use, but that feature went the way of manual focus lenses...) Photojournalism comes to mind--they often left a normal lens with press camera on f8 and had pre-set stops for close, medium, and distant pictures.

This should have occurred to lens makers, as they are always looking for ways to make lenses more expensive.
I just got a new Canon 17mm RF lens, and the lens ... (show quote)


Makes the lens useless for professional video work

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Jan 24, 2023 05:52:17   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if we had world peace too?

In the meantime, learn and trust your auto-focus capable, mirrorless digital technology to quick grab and properly and accurately focus at whatever aperture you've selected.


Adding a MF switch is slightly easier than world peace. And it has been added to nearly every AF lens ever made. Canon is losing the plot.

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Jan 24, 2023 06:00:44   #
Red6
 
bsprague wrote:
In this group, there are many that prefer manually setting as much as possible.

I'm an outlier. I've gradually gone to using the camera's automation more. One of Sony's best settings is AUTO. It gives me more time to think about composition. I use it a lot and only use manual when it is necessary.


I agree. I have taken a good number of photo courses and they all push full manual shooting. I can do that but if the goal and purpose of photography are to get well-composed and interesting shots then why not use every available tool you have? As an engineer with years of experience using computer-controlled equipment, I understand it is very important to thoroughly understand the process you are working with. The best way to learn and understand the process is to learn to do it manually where possible. Photography is such a process. Learn and master the basics and then let the machine do what it does best. You, the photographer, manage the creative aspects and let the machine manage the mundane tasks.

I cannot begin to count the number of good shots I would have missed if I would have had to set everything in manual mode. When walking around I usually have my cameras set to Auto and be ready for anything almost instantly. The odds of getting a good image are considerably better using the camera's automation to its full advantage. Modern cameras are not always designed to be "user friendly" in the full manual mode so often time is lost jumping around the various controls to focus, adjust shutter, aperture, and ISO to get the perfect shot.

When given ample time and opportunity, such as landscape shots, I will often shoot several images in manual and then several in Auto mode. Even here, the Auto shots are often superior.

If I had to guess, more readers here use the Auto modes that admit it.

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Jan 24, 2023 06:34:23   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
Red6 wrote:
I agree. I have taken a good number of photo courses and they all push full manual shooting. I can do that but if the goal and purpose of photography are to get well-composed and interesting shots then why not use every available tool you have? As an engineer with years of experience using computer-controlled equipment, I understand it is very important to thoroughly understand the process you are working with. The best way to learn and understand the process is to learn to do it manually where possible. Photography is such a process. Learn and master the basics and then let the machine do what it does best. You, the photographer, manage the creative aspects and let the machine manage the mundane tasks.

I cannot begin to count the number of good shots I would have missed if I would have had to set everything in manual mode. When walking around I usually have my cameras set to Auto and be ready for anything almost instantly. The odds of getting a good image are considerably better using the camera's automation to its full advantage. Modern cameras are not always designed to be "user friendly" in the full manual mode so often time is lost jumping around the various controls to focus, adjust shutter, aperture, and ISO to get the perfect shot.

When given ample time and opportunity, such as landscape shots, I will often shoot several images in manual and then several in Auto mode. Even here, the Auto shots are often superior.

If I had to guess, more readers here use the Auto modes that admit it.
I agree. I have taken a good number of photo cour... (show quote)


I admit, I do and have primarily used Automatic and/or Programmed mode (and Aperture Priority) for 50 + years.

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Jan 24, 2023 06:46:23   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Architect1776 wrote:


I think more folks should give the P setting ( Professional ) a whirl and see what they think... Sometimes people are so opposed to something they won't even consider giving it a try.

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Jan 24, 2023 06:52:28   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Red6 wrote:
I agree. I have taken a good number of photo courses and they all push full manual shooting. I can do that but if the goal and purpose of photography are to get well-composed and interesting shots then why not use every available tool you have? As an engineer with years of experience using computer-controlled equipment, I understand it is very important to thoroughly understand the process you are working with. The best way to learn and understand the process is to learn to do it manually where possible. Photography is such a process. Learn and master the basics and then let the machine do what it does best. You, the photographer, manage the creative aspects and let the machine manage the mundane tasks.

I cannot begin to count the number of good shots I would have missed if I would have had to set everything in manual mode. When walking around I usually have my cameras set to Auto and be ready for anything almost instantly. The odds of getting a good image are considerably better using the camera's automation to its full advantage. Modern cameras are not always designed to be "user friendly" in the full manual mode so often time is lost jumping around the various controls to focus, adjust shutter, aperture, and ISO to get the perfect shot.

When given ample time and opportunity, such as landscape shots, I will often shoot several images in manual and then several in Auto mode. Even here, the Auto shots are often superior.

If I had to guess, more readers here use the Auto modes that admit it.
I agree. I have taken a good number of photo cour... (show quote)


I never shoot full manual. I can achieve full control using one of the semi-auto modes and exposure compensation, faster than I can set everything manually. Full manual is outdated and unnecessary in 99% of situations. OTOH full auto is like Testla self driving: works well in general but can't be trusted in some critical situations

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Jan 24, 2023 08:45:26   #
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kymarto wrote:
Makes the lens useless for professional video work

What lens based features are you most dependent upon for your video work ?

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Jan 24, 2023 08:48:59   #
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MrBob wrote:
I think more folks should give the P setting ( Professional ) a whirl and see what they think... Sometimes people are so opposed to something they won't even consider giving it a try.

Ooooh, yet another one ... ROTFLMFAO.

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Jan 24, 2023 08:56:32   #
dbrugger25 Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Some of my Canon digital cameras have a manual focus assist feature that can be seen in the viewfinder. I rarely use it but it is there.

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Jan 24, 2023 08:56:39   #
dbrugger25 Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Some of my Canon digital cameras have a manual focus assist feature that can be seen in the viewfinder. I rarely use it but it is there.

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Jan 24, 2023 09:17:48   #
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kymarto wrote:
I never shoot full manual. I can achieve full control using one of the semi-auto modes and exposure compensation, faster than I can set everything manually. Full manual is outdated and unnecessary in 99% of situations. OTOH full auto is like Testla self driving: works well in general but can't be trusted in some critical situations

Not at all clear what that has to do with auto focus modes and ideas.

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Jan 24, 2023 09:26:24   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
I mostly use manual focus at night on stars and other heavenly bodies, auto just doesn't work.

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Jan 24, 2023 09:30:00   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
I am not a pro--and never tried video--but surely professional videographers have video cameras? OK, maybe wedding photographers use regular cameras, but I don't do those either.

But what do you mean?

(Sorry--this was reply to:

"Makes the lens useless for professional video work")

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Jan 24, 2023 10:24:32   #
HRPufnstuf
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Really how accurate? +/- 1 inch? I don't know how the distance scale on your practicular lens works but w
ith most lenses I know presetting the lens to a distance is not very accurate.


"F8 and don't be late."

Weegee

I set my Speed Graphic to F8 (with or without flash) and set the focus to 10 feet. Works well enough for shots when I don't have time to use the ground glass.

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