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Jan 7, 2023 09:26:48   #
bobburk3 Loc: Maryland
 
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Nikkor 70-200 1.4G that I use a lot for sports photography. It is a decent lens but not quite as sharp as I would like. Any recommendations for a little sharper lens would be appreciated. Not sure how much I would have to pay for a better lens but I am open to used glass in very good condition. I am open to going up to zoom that goes to 300 also. I have had good luck buying used lenses. When I see other photographer's shots from the same event I shoot at, and they are sharper, it makes me realize I can do better. Also, is there an optimum f/stop that this lens is best at? I can I determine the optimum opening for a lens for sharpness?

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Jan 7, 2023 09:40:52   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
There are so many variables in what you ask. You’re gonna get a load of conflicting advice.

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Jan 7, 2023 09:56:41   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
bobburk3 wrote:
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Nikkor 70-200 1.4G that I use a lot for sports photography. It is a decent lens but not quite as sharp as I would like. Any recommendations for a little sharper lens would be appreciated. Not sure how much I would have to pay for a better lens but I am open to used glass in very good condition. I am open to going up to zoom that goes to 300 also. I have had good luck buying used lenses. When I see other photographer's shots from the same event I shoot at, and they are sharper, it makes me realize I can do better. Also, is there an optimum f/stop that this lens is best at? I can I determine the optimum opening for a lens for sharpness?
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Ni... (show quote)


I think you are looking at the line that reads 1:4 which is not an f1.4 lens. On your crop frame camera, you are already shooting at 350mm when compared to a 35mm film camera. If indeed you have a 70-200 f2.8 or f4.0, both are regarded as very sharp lenses in the Nikon line of lenses. There is always the chance you have a bad copy which can happen with any lens with any manufacturer. As far as a sweet spot is concerned, the sharpest a lens performs is two stops from wide open. That was the standard before digital. Digital has expanded the sharpness zone and as long as you are not at the extremes of the range you should be getting reasonably good in-focus shots. On a 2.8 lens, you should be getting sharp shots between f4 and f11. Check your technique and camera settings before you claim the lens is not sharp. What ISO setting are you using? If you are set between 200 and 400 go up to 1200 ISO and try shooting at 5.6. Are you using a monopod or a tripod? Shooting at the extreme of 350mm (which is what you are shooting at the 200 setting), a slight movement at the camera position will create a lot of movement 50 to 100 ft. away.

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Jan 7, 2023 10:03:57   #
bobburk3 Loc: Maryland
 
Bridges wrote:
I think you are looking at the line that reads 1:4 which is not an f1.4 lens. On your crop frame camera, you are already shooting at 350mm when compared to a 35mm film camera. If indeed you have a 70-200 f2.8 or f4.0, both are regarded as very sharp lenses in the Nikon line of lenses. There is always the chance you have a bad copy which can happen with any lens with any manufacturer. As far as a sweet spot is concerned, the sharpest a lens performs is two stops from wide open. That was the standard before digital. Digital has expanded the sharpness zone and as long as you are not at the extremes of the range you should be getting reasonably good in-focus shots. On a 2.8 lens, you should be getting sharp shots between f4 and f11. Check your technique and camera settings before you claim the lens is not sharp. What ISO setting are you using? If you are set between 200 and 400 go up to 1200 ISO and try shooting at 5.6. Are you using a monopod or a tripod? Shooting at the extreme of 350mm (which is what you are shooting at the 200 setting), a slight movement at the camera position will create a lot of movement 50 to 100 ft. away.
I think you are looking at the line that reads 1:4... (show quote)


This is very helpful. Thank you.

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Jan 7, 2023 10:05:20   #
Nantahalan Loc: Savannah originally; western NC now
 
Assume you have a 2.8 lens. My understanding, and my copy, is very sharp.

Shutter speed, VR being on sports setting, and steadiness can be factors you can test to eliminate. Check out sharpness with camera on a tripod or table etc shooting something not moving.

Might ask those other photographers about their settings, too. And search how to make sharp pictures, which includes post-processing in at least an inexpensive program like Photoshop Elements.

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Jan 7, 2023 10:12:38   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Don't know where in Maryland you are but if you are close enough visit Service Photo, take your camera and they will offer good advice and you can test right there

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Jan 7, 2023 10:18:28   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
"Not sharp enough" can have several causes. It would help if you could post an example with the "Store Original" box checked, or at least give an example of the sort of settings that you use.

Is your shutter speed sufficiently high? Are your camera-holding skills letting you down? The D7200 is a landscape-oriented camera and fast focus is not a priority with landscapes. Is the camera keeping up with fast-moving sport where focus lock is concerned? Is it your post processing skills that are not as good as the people you're comparing yourself to?

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Jan 7, 2023 10:18:34   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Bridges wrote:
I think you are looking at the line that reads 1:4 which is not an f1.4 lens. On your crop frame camera, you are already shooting at 350mm when compared to a 35mm film camera. If indeed you have a 70-200 f2.8 or f4.0, both are regarded as very sharp lenses in the Nikon line of lenses. There is always the chance you have a bad copy which can happen with any lens with any manufacturer. As far as a sweet spot is concerned, the sharpest a lens performs is two stops from wide open. That was the standard before digital. Digital has expanded the sharpness zone and as long as you are not at the extremes of the range you should be getting reasonably good in-focus shots. On a 2.8 lens, you should be getting sharp shots between f4 and f11. Check your technique and camera settings before you claim the lens is not sharp. What ISO setting are you using? If you are set between 200 and 400 go up to 1200 ISO and try shooting at 5.6. Are you using a monopod or a tripod? Shooting at the extreme of 350mm (which is what you are shooting at the 200 setting), a slight movement at the camera position will create a lot of movement 50 to 100 ft. away.
I think you are looking at the line that reads 1:4... (show quote)



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Jan 7, 2023 10:31:09   #
keywest305 Loc: Baltimore Md.
 
What is your shutter speed. You may want to bump it up. Your lens is plenty sharp I'm sure.

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Jan 7, 2023 12:06:44   #
kmielen Loc: Eastern NC
 
bobburk3 wrote:
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Nikkor 70-200 1.4G that I use a lot for sports photography. It is a decent lens but not quite as sharp as I would like. Any recommendations for a little sharper lens would be appreciated. Not sure how much I would have to pay for a better lens but I am open to used glass in very good condition. I am open to going up to zoom that goes to 300 also. I have had good luck buying used lenses. When I see other photographer's shots from the same event I shoot at, and they are sharper, it makes me realize I can do better. Also, is there an optimum f/stop that this lens is best at? I can I determine the optimum opening for a lens for sharpness?
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Ni... (show quote)


Is your "lack of sharpness" present when manually focusing or just an AF problem? Have you gone through the AF fine tune exercise for your camera/lens combo?

DXOmark has done significant bench testing of various camera and lens combinations. I would look there for info on sharpest aperture, edge sharpness, effect of zoom position, etc.

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Jan 7, 2023 13:25:18   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
bobburk3 wrote:
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Nikkor 70-200 1.4G that I use a lot for sports photography. It is a decent lens but not quite as sharp as I would like. Any recommendations for a little sharper lens would be appreciated. Not sure how much I would have to pay for a better lens but I am open to used glass in very good condition. I am open to going up to zoom that goes to 300 also. I have had good luck buying used lenses. When I see other photographer's shots from the same event I shoot at, and they are sharper, it makes me realize I can do better. Also, is there an optimum f/stop that this lens is best at? I can I determine the optimum opening for a lens for sharpness?
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Ni... (show quote)


You probably actually have a AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/4G ED VR lens (no one makes an f/1.4 70-200mm).

That's a very sharp lens.

Review by Ken Rockwell: https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/70-200mm-f4.htm
Review by Digital Camera World: https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/reviews/nikon-af-s-70-200mm-f4g-ed-vr-review
Review by PC Magazine: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/nikon-af-s-nikkor-70-200mm-f4g-ed-vr This review notes slight loss of sharpness at the edges at f/4 when used on a full frame (FX) camera, which sharpens up very well at f/5.6. However, you are using the lens on a DX camera which naturally crops off those slightly soft edges and corners, using only the sharpest, central part of the lens.
Review by DXO Mark: https://www.dxomark.com/nikon-af-s-nikkor-70-200mm-f-4g-ed-vr-review-an-enlightened-70-200mm-lens-choice/

There are many more, all of which agree it's a wonderfully sharp lens. If you're getting poor results, probably you're doing something wrong.

It would be best if you were to upload one or more example images, demonstrating the lack of sharpness you're seeing... fairly large JPEGs with their EXIF data intact and using the "store original/Add Attachment" feature here on UHH. We could then look at the image(s) and info to give you much more helpful analysis.

Without seeing image samples, we can only guess. It may be that you're using too slow shutter speeds. Or maybe you have a poor quality "protection" filter on the lens or a dirty sensor in your camera, both of which can cause loss of sharpness. Or perhaps you need to calibrate the focus of this lens on your particular camera. Or maybe you're using the wrong AF mode or setup. There are additional possibilities, including that you have a "bad copy" of the lens (although this is probably the least likely cause).

We might be able to narrow it down, if we could see some examples.

I shoot a lot of sports... a couple million images over the last 15 or 16 years... and have two 70-200mm lenses: an f/2.8 and an f/4. Because this is one of my most used lenses (on crop sensor cameras like you), I bought the f/4 lens as a backup. But I have actually ended up using it more. I was stopping the f/2.8 lens down to f/4 or f/5.6 a lot anyway, to be sure I had sufficient depth of field when subjects were close. So the f/4 wasn't an issue and it's a smaller, lighter lens that's just as sharp or sharper than my f/2.8.

I use Canon gear, but in the end it's no different than Nikon. While it's a great range for a lot of sports shots, sometimes 70-200mm just wasn't "long enough" (even on crop sensor cameras like yours). For a long time I supplemented the zoom with a 2nd camera fitted with a 300mm f/4 lens. Nikon offers a couple of those, too, which might be a solution for you. There's a fairly compact and much lighter weight AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR that's more expensive, as well as an AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4D IF-ED that costs about $500 less but is larger, heavier and doesn't have image stabilization. Here's a more detailed comparison (along with the 70-200mm f/4 and 70-200mm f/2.8 for comparison): https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_300mm_f_4D_IF-ED_Lens_vs_Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_300mm_f_4E_PF_ED_VR_Lens_vs_Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_70-200mm_f_4G_ED_VR_Lens_vs_Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_70-200mm_f_2.8E_FL_ED_VR_Lens/BHitems/207356-USA_1111442-REG_897230-REG_1292140-REG

An alternative that I'm using now is a single lens... in my case a 100-400mm zoom. It's certainly more versatile than a fixed 300mm focal length. For Nikon you have what may be an even better option: the excellent AF-S Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR. Depending upon what sports you may or may not need the focal lengths beyond 300mm. I rarely do. But for sports on large fields like baseball, soccer and football, 400mm can come in handy. Both this Nikkor and my lens are f/4.5-5.6 aperture, so up to a stop "slower" than the f/4 lenses above. So the Nikkor 80-400mm might not be great for night games unless the venue is very well lit. I keep my f/4 and even some f/2.8 lenses handy for more challenging lighting situations, indoors and night games. Nikkor 80-400mm: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/936121-REG/nikon_80_400mm_f_4_5_5_6g_ed_vr.html

I mention using two cameras with the 70-200mm and 300mm, and still do that with 100-400mm. But you might be able to get by with just a single camera thanks to the wider range of focal lengths the Nikkor 80-400mm offers. (I also usually carry a 24-70mm and need to swap to it at times.) By the way, I make a point of using two identical cameras and set them up exactly the same other than the lenses, for very quick and seamless swaps between them during fast action shooting. If you wanted to do this too, you'd need to track down a good used D7200, since Nikon discontinued that model some time ago. I see there are a lot of D7200 at fairly reasonable prices on the used market: https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/nikon-d7200?showAll=true

I hope this helps and you upload some sample images so we can look at them and give you better feedback.

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Jan 7, 2023 15:12:59   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
bobburk3 wrote:
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Nikkor 70-200 1.4G that I use a lot for sports photography. It is a decent lens but not quite as sharp as I would like. Any recommendations for a little sharper lens would be appreciated. Not sure how much I would have to pay for a better lens but I am open to used glass in very good condition. I am open to going up to zoom that goes to 300 also. I have had good luck buying used lenses. When I see other photographer's shots from the same event I shoot at, and they are sharper, it makes me realize I can do better. Also, is there an optimum f/stop that this lens is best at? I can I determine the optimum opening for a lens for sharpness?
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Ni... (show quote)


There is no such lens, a Nikon 70-200 1.4, but I'm sure others have already pointed that out.

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Jan 7, 2023 17:03:14   #
jcboy3
 
bobburk3 wrote:
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Nikkor 70-200 1.4G that I use a lot for sports photography. It is a decent lens but not quite as sharp as I would like. Any recommendations for a little sharper lens would be appreciated. Not sure how much I would have to pay for a better lens but I am open to used glass in very good condition. I am open to going up to zoom that goes to 300 also. I have had good luck buying used lenses. When I see other photographer's shots from the same event I shoot at, and they are sharper, it makes me realize I can do better. Also, is there an optimum f/stop that this lens is best at? I can I determine the optimum opening for a lens for sharpness?
I have a D7200 which I like, and a Nikon a AF-S Ni... (show quote)


Post an example. Your lens should be as sharp as you need.

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Jan 7, 2023 18:25:31   #
bobburk3 Loc: Maryland
 
amfoto1 wrote:
You probably actually have a AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/4G ED VR lens (no one makes an f/1.4 70-200mm).

That's a very sharp lens.

Review by Ken Rockwell: https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/70-200mm-f4.htm
Review by Digital Camera World: https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/reviews/nikon-af-s-70-200mm-f4g-ed-vr-review
Review by PC Magazine: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/nikon-af-s-nikkor-70-200mm-f4g-ed-vr This review notes slight loss of sharpness at the edges at f/4 when used on a full frame (FX) camera, which sharpens up very well at f/5.6. However, you are using the lens on a DX camera which naturally crops off those slightly soft edges and corners, using only the sharpest, central part of the lens.
Review by DXO Mark: https://www.dxomark.com/nikon-af-s-nikkor-70-200mm-f-4g-ed-vr-review-an-enlightened-70-200mm-lens-choice/

There are many more, all of which agree it's a wonderfully sharp lens. If you're getting poor results, probably you're doing something wrong.

It would be best if you were to upload one or more example images, demonstrating the lack of sharpness you're seeing... fairly large JPEGs with their EXIF data intact and using the "store original/Add Attachment" feature here on UHH. We could then look at the image(s) and info to give you much more helpful analysis.

Without seeing image samples, we can only guess. It may be that you're using too slow shutter speeds. Or maybe you have a poor quality "protection" filter on the lens or a dirty sensor in your camera, both of which can cause loss of sharpness. Or perhaps you need to calibrate the focus of this lens on your particular camera. Or maybe you're using the wrong AF mode or setup. There are additional possibilities, including that you have a "bad copy" of the lens (although this is probably the least likely cause).

We might be able to narrow it down, if we could see some examples.

I shoot a lot of sports... a couple million images over the last 15 or 16 years... and have two 70-200mm lenses: an f/2.8 and an f/4. Because this is one of my most used lenses (on crop sensor cameras like you), I bought the f/4 lens as a backup. But I have actually ended up using it more. I was stopping the f/2.8 lens down to f/4 or f/5.6 a lot anyway, to be sure I had sufficient depth of field when subjects were close. So the f/4 wasn't an issue and it's a smaller, lighter lens that's just as sharp or sharper than my f/2.8.

I use Canon gear, but in the end it's no different than Nikon. While it's a great range for a lot of sports shots, sometimes 70-200mm just wasn't "long enough" (even on crop sensor cameras like yours). For a long time I supplemented the zoom with a 2nd camera fitted with a 300mm f/4 lens. Nikon offers a couple of those, too, which might be a solution for you. There's a fairly compact and much lighter weight AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR that's more expensive, as well as an AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4D IF-ED that costs about $500 less but is larger, heavier and doesn't have image stabilization. Here's a more detailed comparison (along with the 70-200mm f/4 and 70-200mm f/2.8 for comparison): https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_300mm_f_4D_IF-ED_Lens_vs_Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_300mm_f_4E_PF_ED_VR_Lens_vs_Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_70-200mm_f_4G_ED_VR_Lens_vs_Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_70-200mm_f_2.8E_FL_ED_VR_Lens/BHitems/207356-USA_1111442-REG_897230-REG_1292140-REG

An alternative that I'm using now is a single lens... in my case a 100-400mm zoom. It's certainly more versatile than a fixed 300mm focal length. For Nikon you have what may be an even better option: the excellent AF-S Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR. Depending upon what sports you may or may not need the focal lengths beyond 300mm. I rarely do. But for sports on large fields like baseball, soccer and football, 400mm can come in handy. Both this Nikkor and my lens are f/4.5-5.6 aperture, so up to a stop "slower" than the f/4 lenses above. So the Nikkor 80-400mm might not be great for night games unless the venue is very well lit. I keep my f/4 and even some f/2.8 lenses handy for more challenging lighting situations, indoors and night games. Nikkor 80-400mm: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/936121-REG/nikon_80_400mm_f_4_5_5_6g_ed_vr.html

I mention using two cameras with the 70-200mm and 300mm, and still do that with 100-400mm. But you might be able to get by with just a single camera thanks to the wider range of focal lengths the Nikkor 80-400mm offers. (I also usually carry a 24-70mm and need to swap to it at times.) By the way, I make a point of using two identical cameras and set them up exactly the same other than the lenses, for very quick and seamless swaps between them during fast action shooting. If you wanted to do this too, you'd need to track down a good used D7200, since Nikon discontinued that model some time ago. I see there are a lot of D7200 at fairly reasonable prices on the used market: https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/nikon-d7200?showAll=true

I hope this helps and you upload some sample images so we can look at them and give you better feedback.
You probably actually have a AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm ... (show quote)


This is a fantastic and helpful reply and I really appreciate your taking the time to give me all that information. I will have to take some time to digest it all. By the way, you are right. I mislabeled the speed of the lens. It is f4, not 1.4. My mistake copying it down. I wish it was 1.4.

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Jan 8, 2023 01:59:54   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
bobburk3 wrote:
This is a fantastic and helpful reply and I really appreciate your taking the time to give me all that information. I will have to take some time to digest it all. By the way, you are right. I mislabeled the speed of the lens. It is f4, not 1.4. My mistake copying it down. I wish it was 1.4.

Look forward to seeing a couple of your example images, pretty sure you are not going to need to spend more to solve the sharpness concern.

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