Light weight bird photography..plenty reach
Dec 20, 2022 11:47:35 #
I sold all of my Great Canon SLR and moved to the new R 7. It is the cropped 7D and so much more. The weight is now an easy hand hold.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
Dec 20, 2022 11:49:24 #
AHK wrote:
I sold all of my Great Canon SLR and moved to the new R 7. It is the cropped 7D and so much more. The weight is now an easy hand hold.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
How much does the R7 + 100-400mm weigh??
Dec 20, 2022 12:08:12 #
rehess wrote:
How much does the R7 + 100-400mm weigh??
Check on line under specs for R7 then compare to your current 7d and the lens you are currently using.
Dec 20, 2022 12:18:43 #
AHK wrote:
Check on line under specs for R7 then compare to your current 7d and the lens you are currently using.
I’m not currently a Canon user.
I would be “starting from scratch” -
I was just thinking.
Dec 20, 2022 12:20:53 #
Dec 20, 2022 12:47:06 #
amfoto1
Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
Canon 7D Mark II body only weighs over 32 oz. (with LP-E6N battery)
Canon R7 body only weighs slightly less than 22 oz. (with LP-E6NH battery)
- Camera weight savings, 10 oz.
Canon EF 100-400mm L IS USM II lens weighs 3.6 lb. ($2400)
Canon RF 100-400mm IS USM lens weighs 1.4 lb. ($500)
- Lens weight savings, over 35 oz.
- Total weight savings 45 oz.... almost 3 lb.!
The RF 100-400mm also is much more compact than the EF 100-400mm. Not to mention, almost 1/5 the price!
BUT, the RF lens isn't as bright (f/5.6-f/8) vs the EF lens (f/4.5-5.6) AND the EF lens is a far more premium L-series materials, build & weather sealing, where the RF lens is not.
Even the more premium and 100mm longer RF 100-500mm IS USM lens ($2700) can save some weight vs the EF 100-400mm lens. It's approx. half lb. (8 oz.) lighter.
Plus....
R7 is 32.5MP... 7D Mark II is 20MP.
R7 can shoot at 15 frames/sec (mechanical)... 7D Mk II at 10 fps.
R7 can shoot 30 fps electronic shutter... 7D Mk II doesn't have an e-shutter.
R7 ISO range 100 to 32000 (expandable)... 7D Mk II ISO range 100 to 16000 (expandable).
R7 has in-body image stabilization... 7D Mk II doesn't.
R7 has 651 AF points covering most of the image area... 7D Mk II has 65 points in a central oval array.
R7's AF is functional to -5 EV... 7D Mk II AF works to -3EV light levels.
R7 has face detection, eye detection, etc.... 7D Mk II doesn't.
R7's EVF has 1.15X magnification... 7D Mk II's OVF has 1.0X magnification.
R7's rear LCD is articulated Touchscreen... 7D Mk II's is fixed, not a touch screen.
R7's rear LCD is 1.6 million dot... 7D Mk II's LCD is 1.4 million dot. (Both are 3", diag.)
R7 sells for $1500 US... at it's introduction in 2014, 7D Mk II sold for $1800 US.
7D Mk II has built-in flash... R7 doesn't.
7D Mk II is rated for 670 shots... R7 is rated for 660. However...
...CIPA battery capacity test requires use of flash on 50% of shots, whenever camera has a built-in flash. When 7D Mk II is used without it's built-in flash, it gets far more shots per charge. A built-in flash is a heavy drain on the camera's battery, but only when it's actually used. R7 doesn't have flash, so naturally is tested without one, making this comparison a bit of an apples and oranges thing. And a mirrorless camera's electronic viewfinder is a heavy drain on the camera's battery, compared to a DSLR's optical viewfinder. Still many R7 users report getting substantially more shots than the rating.
7D Mk II has option to fit a battery grip... R7 has no provision for battery grip.
7D Mk II's is a more premium or "pro quality" build, which accounts for much of the weight difference. 7D Mk II uses magnesium exterior panels where R7 uses polycarbonate (i.e., plastic) and 7D Mk iI is better sealed for weather resistance. R7 build quality and sealing is more similar to Canon 90D, which might be called "mid-grade".
7D Mk II has a monochrome LCD displaying settings on it's top, right shoulder. The R7 lacks this feature.
Both cameras' shutters are rated to do 200,000 actuations. In this respect, the R7 is an upgrade from the 120,000 click rated 90D. However, note that the 50% faster (15 fps) R7 frame rate means it's shutter is very likely to reach 200,000 clicks sooner than a 7D Mk II's will (10 fps).
There's also the somewhat controversial rearrangement of the joystick within a dial and the off/on switch of the R7 (7D Mk II uses far more traditional control layout). The 7D Mk II's mode dial also has a lock, while the R7's doesn't and may be more prone to accidental movement. Mode dial on R7 has been moved to the opposite shoulder and moved more inboard, which might mitigate the problem a bit. But it took years and years of user complaints before Canon finally started putting locks on mode dials (like they had done back in the days of film cameras)... I hate to see them stop doing so again! It really sucks when your shots get screwed up because the exposure mode was accidentally changed when you bump the dial without any locking mechanism!
Canon R7 body only weighs slightly less than 22 oz. (with LP-E6NH battery)
- Camera weight savings, 10 oz.
Canon EF 100-400mm L IS USM II lens weighs 3.6 lb. ($2400)
Canon RF 100-400mm IS USM lens weighs 1.4 lb. ($500)
- Lens weight savings, over 35 oz.
- Total weight savings 45 oz.... almost 3 lb.!
The RF 100-400mm also is much more compact than the EF 100-400mm. Not to mention, almost 1/5 the price!
BUT, the RF lens isn't as bright (f/5.6-f/8) vs the EF lens (f/4.5-5.6) AND the EF lens is a far more premium L-series materials, build & weather sealing, where the RF lens is not.
Even the more premium and 100mm longer RF 100-500mm IS USM lens ($2700) can save some weight vs the EF 100-400mm lens. It's approx. half lb. (8 oz.) lighter.
Plus....
R7 is 32.5MP... 7D Mark II is 20MP.
R7 can shoot at 15 frames/sec (mechanical)... 7D Mk II at 10 fps.
R7 can shoot 30 fps electronic shutter... 7D Mk II doesn't have an e-shutter.
R7 ISO range 100 to 32000 (expandable)... 7D Mk II ISO range 100 to 16000 (expandable).
R7 has in-body image stabilization... 7D Mk II doesn't.
R7 has 651 AF points covering most of the image area... 7D Mk II has 65 points in a central oval array.
R7's AF is functional to -5 EV... 7D Mk II AF works to -3EV light levels.
R7 has face detection, eye detection, etc.... 7D Mk II doesn't.
R7's EVF has 1.15X magnification... 7D Mk II's OVF has 1.0X magnification.
R7's rear LCD is articulated Touchscreen... 7D Mk II's is fixed, not a touch screen.
R7's rear LCD is 1.6 million dot... 7D Mk II's LCD is 1.4 million dot. (Both are 3", diag.)
R7 sells for $1500 US... at it's introduction in 2014, 7D Mk II sold for $1800 US.
7D Mk II has built-in flash... R7 doesn't.
7D Mk II is rated for 670 shots... R7 is rated for 660. However...
...CIPA battery capacity test requires use of flash on 50% of shots, whenever camera has a built-in flash. When 7D Mk II is used without it's built-in flash, it gets far more shots per charge. A built-in flash is a heavy drain on the camera's battery, but only when it's actually used. R7 doesn't have flash, so naturally is tested without one, making this comparison a bit of an apples and oranges thing. And a mirrorless camera's electronic viewfinder is a heavy drain on the camera's battery, compared to a DSLR's optical viewfinder. Still many R7 users report getting substantially more shots than the rating.
7D Mk II has option to fit a battery grip... R7 has no provision for battery grip.
7D Mk II's is a more premium or "pro quality" build, which accounts for much of the weight difference. 7D Mk II uses magnesium exterior panels where R7 uses polycarbonate (i.e., plastic) and 7D Mk iI is better sealed for weather resistance. R7 build quality and sealing is more similar to Canon 90D, which might be called "mid-grade".
7D Mk II has a monochrome LCD displaying settings on it's top, right shoulder. The R7 lacks this feature.
Both cameras' shutters are rated to do 200,000 actuations. In this respect, the R7 is an upgrade from the 120,000 click rated 90D. However, note that the 50% faster (15 fps) R7 frame rate means it's shutter is very likely to reach 200,000 clicks sooner than a 7D Mk II's will (10 fps).
There's also the somewhat controversial rearrangement of the joystick within a dial and the off/on switch of the R7 (7D Mk II uses far more traditional control layout). The 7D Mk II's mode dial also has a lock, while the R7's doesn't and may be more prone to accidental movement. Mode dial on R7 has been moved to the opposite shoulder and moved more inboard, which might mitigate the problem a bit. But it took years and years of user complaints before Canon finally started putting locks on mode dials (like they had done back in the days of film cameras)... I hate to see them stop doing so again! It really sucks when your shots get screwed up because the exposure mode was accidentally changed when you bump the dial without any locking mechanism!
Dec 20, 2022 12:47:34 #
rehess wrote:
How much does the R7 + 100-400mm weigh??
Just a shade under 3 pounds. So if you have the strap on the camera it would be 3 pounds.
I also use my R7 with the RF 100-400. Some reviewers say the RF 100-400 is soft in the corners and edges but it is a full frame lens so the crop sensor R7 (or R10) only see the center where the lens is at its best.
That said, I am saving my monthly "Mad Money" budget to get the RF 100-500L. I should have it by Easter, faster if I stop buying books and software from my Mad Money.
Dec 20, 2022 13:28:28 #
robertjerl wrote:
Just a shade under 3 pounds. So if you have the strap on the camera it would be 3 pounds.
I also use my R7 with the RF 100-400. Some reviewers say the RF 100-400 is soft in the corners and edges but it is a full frame lens so the crop sensor R7 (or R10) only see the center where the lens is at its best.
That said, I am saving my monthly "Mad Money" budget to get the RF 100-500L. I should have it by Easter, faster if I stop buying books and software from my Mad Money.
I also use my R7 with the RF 100-400. Some reviewers say the RF 100-400 is soft in the corners and edges but it is a full frame lens so the crop sensor R7 (or R10) only see the center where the lens is at its best.
That said, I am saving my monthly "Mad Money" budget to get the RF 100-500L. I should have it by Easter, faster if I stop buying books and software from my Mad Money.
Thankyou for the info.
I’m in my mid-70’s.
There is no point to my getting equipment that is too heavy for me to carry to where the birds are; this info gives me what I need for thinking purposes.
Dec 20, 2022 14:43:11 #
Dec 20, 2022 14:43:17 #
Dec 20, 2022 14:54:44 #
rehess wrote:
Thankyou for the info.
I’m in my mid-70’s.
There is no point to my getting equipment that is too heavy for me to carry to where the birds are; this info gives me what I need for thinking purposes.
I’m in my mid-70’s.
There is no point to my getting equipment that is too heavy for me to carry to where the birds are; this info gives me what I need for thinking purposes.
77 here, so I am eyeballing lighter gear, but if I know I am after shots that need certain gear I use a backpack and the "arm cradle" carry style and the neck strap. If I am going to a place I don't need to move around much, I take a tripod with gimbal head and then while shooting I don't have to hold the camera and lens at all. Maybe a remote/cable release so I don't touch or jiggle the camera. I love details in the feathers of my birds, and camera shake is a killer for that.
Dec 21, 2022 06:35:06 #
AHK wrote:
I sold all of my Great Canon SLR and moved to the new R 7. It is the cropped 7D and so much more. The weight is now an easy hand hold.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
Dec 21, 2022 07:27:55 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
AHK wrote:
I sold all of my Great Canon SLR and moved to the new R 7. It is the cropped 7D and so much more. The weight is now an easy hand hold.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
A good match is the Canon 100-400 for the R series. For many more $’s the 100-500 for the R series is outstanding but a bit heavier.
I just got my wife the Olympus OM-I with the Panasonic Leica 100-400 mm lens, gives her an angle of view of 200-800. Very light weight, very sharp.
And the best is she now has PRE-CAPTURE, a very great advantage for wild life photography.
Dec 21, 2022 08:44:55 #
billnikon wrote:
I just got my wife the Olympus OM-I with the Panasonic Leica 100-400 mm lens, gives her an angle of view of 200-800. Very light weight, very sharp.
And the best is she now has PRE-CAPTURE, a very great advantage for wild life photography.
And the best is she now has PRE-CAPTURE, a very great advantage for wild life photography.
Remember that the R7 has precapture as well.
Dec 21, 2022 10:09:26 #
rehess wrote:
I’m not currently a Canon user.
I would be “starting from scratch” -
I was just thinking.
I would be “starting from scratch” -
I was just thinking.
Due to advancing years I downsized a couple of years ago to the Canon SX60HS ... I will never go back ... the camera has been a joy to carry and use ... !
If you are interested try the Stokes Birding Blog before you buy -
http://stokesbirdingblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/canon-sx-50-hs-for-bird-photography-i.html
Bob S
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