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Dec 12, 2022 10:40:07   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
Perhaps you mean the Senate Leadership Fund . That was the gop pac McConnell was aligned with not the RNC.

And that 4:1 figure seems way off. They were nearly equal according to this source . The gop just had weak candidate’s


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/11/total-cost-of-2022-state-and-federal-e******ns-projected-to-exceed-16-7-billion/


My apologies about getting the source of the finances wrong. Spending was equal on some races, but not others. For example Warnock outspent Walker a little more than 3-1.
https://t***hout.org/articles/walker-warnock-race-most-expensive-in-2022-cycle-as-runoff-intensifies/

In Arizona, where McConnell pulled all money from Masters Kelly raised nearly 90 million to 12.4 for Masters.
https://www.azmirror.com/blog/the-arizona-senate-race-was-the-3rd-most-expensive-of-2022/

You are probably correct that in many races spending was close to equal, but in the ones that were close and had outside money if you bother to check you will see that I am at least close to right.

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Dec 12, 2022 11:41:25   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
btbg wrote:
The founding fathers took that into account when they wrote the constitution. They gave us the right to amend the constitution. Don't like the second amendment change the constitution instead of trying to pass b.s. laws denying individuals the right to own the guns of their choice.


Well, I don't think the Democrats want to go that route in amending the Constitution. They prefer the "Clear and present danger" doctrine that says, if the occurrence is so injurious to the state it justifies suspending your Constitutional rights. So they f*****tically push through v*****e mandates, improper Constitutional e******n laws, restricting the right to bear arms, silencing free speech by Donald Trump and his supporters, etc. etc.

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Dec 12, 2022 13:10:58   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Well, I don't think the Democrats want to go that route in amending the Constitution. They prefer the "Clear and present danger" doctrine that says, if the occurrence is so injurious to the state it justifies suspending your Constitutional rights. So they f*****tically push through v*****e mandates, improper Constitutional e******n laws, restricting the right to bear arms, silencing free speech by Donald Trump and his supporters, etc. etc.


Trump should have had his tongue cut out when he announced he was thinking about running for e******n.

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Dec 12, 2022 14:08:46   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
btbg wrote:
My apologies about getting the source of the finances wrong. Spending was equal on some races, but not others. For example Warnock outspent Walker a little more than 3-1.
https://t***hout.org/articles/walker-warnock-race-most-expensive-in-2022-cycle-as-runoff-intensifies/

In Arizona, where McConnell pulled all money from Masters Kelly raised nearly 90 million to 12.4 for Masters.
https://www.azmirror.com/blog/the-arizona-senate-race-was-the-3rd-most-expensive-of-2022/

You are probably correct that in many races spending was close to equal, but in the ones that were close and had outside money if you bother to check you will see that I am at least close to right.
My apologies about getting the source of the finan... (show quote)


Unless I’m wrong and that is frequent / McConnell had nothing to do with RNC spending.

Yes Kelly massiveness out. Spent masters but master raised very little . Where was the RNC ?

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/candidates?cycle=2022&id=AZS1&spec=N

McConnell stopped senate pac support late in the contest after polls showed it was a lost cause.

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Dec 12, 2022 18:40:39   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Well, I don't think the Democrats want to go that route in amending the Constitution. They prefer the "Clear and present danger" doctrine that says, if the occurrence is so injurious to the state it justifies suspending your Constitutional rights. So they f*****tically push through v*****e mandates, improper Constitutional e******n laws, restricting the right to bear arms, silencing free speech by Donald Trump and his supporters, etc. etc.


"Well, I don't think"

There lies your problem!

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Dec 14, 2022 01:02:15   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
Unless I’m wrong and that is frequent / McConnell had nothing to do with RNC spending.

Yes Kelly massiveness out. Spent masters but master raised very little . Where was the RNC ?

https://www.opensecrets.org/races/candidates?cycle=2022&id=AZS1&spec=N

McConnell stopped senate pac support late in the contest after polls showed it was a lost cause.


I already acknowledged that I was wrong about the RNC. I guess they are as much to blame as McConnell. those blaming Trump aren't correct as 80 percent of the individuals that Trump supported in the general e******n won. That's a pretty high win rate. Yes Trump supported some bad candidates, but his winning percentage is a lot better than people seem to think.

Actually McConnell stopped support right after Masters had closed a 15 or 16 point deficit to under 10 points. My point was that other than Oz and Fetterman all of the toss up e******ns the Democrats badly outspent the Republicans.

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Dec 14, 2022 01:03:19   #
btbg
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Well, I don't think the Democrats want to go that route in amending the Constitution. They prefer the "Clear and present danger" doctrine that says, if the occurrence is so injurious to the state it justifies suspending your Constitutional rights. So they f*****tically push through v*****e mandates, improper Constitutional e******n laws, restricting the right to bear arms, silencing free speech by Donald Trump and his supporters, etc. etc.


Of course they don't want to go that route. That was part of my point. He was saying the founding fathers would not have written what they did if they were alive today. I pointed out that they had the foresight to deal with the possibility that the world would change.

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Dec 14, 2022 09:56:09   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
btbg wrote:
I already acknowledged that I was wrong about the RNC. I guess they are as much to blame as McConnell. those blaming Trump aren't correct as 80 percent of the individuals that Trump supported in the general e******n won. That's a pretty high win rate. Yes Trump supported some bad candidates, but his winning percentage is a lot better than people seem to think.

Actually McConnell stopped support right after Masters had closed a 15 or 16 point deficit to under 10 points. My point was that other than Oz and Fetterman all of the toss up e******ns the Democrats badly outspent the Republicans.
I already acknowledged that I was wrong about the ... (show quote)


Maybe you can explain this then...

https://thefulcrum.us/E******ns/Campaign-Finance/2022-midterm-e******n-spending-on-track-to-top-9-3-billion

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/11/how-republicans-and-democrats-spent-their-money-during-2022-midterm-e******ns/

https://www.opensecrets.org/e******ns-overview/donor-demographics

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Dec 14, 2022 18:01:11   #
btbg
 


From your own post.
"In two of the most expensive Senate races – Georgia and Nevada – Democrats and the groups supporting them are outspending Republican candidates and outside groups. The races in Georgia and Nevada could determine control of the chamber in 2022 midterms, a New York Times analysis of polling data found, likely driving up spending in the states."

Which is what I said. The two sides spent close to equal except for the battleground states. Then there is this, also from your post.

"Democratic candidates head into general e******n with larger war chests"

You need to read the entire story before trying to use it to prove someone else wrong.

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Dec 14, 2022 19:53:50   #
cwp3420
 
gorgehiker wrote:
Trump deserves most of the blame for the sorry state of the Republican Party, but there are also many others at fault. Too many Republican leaders were far too happy to ride Trump’s coat tails to win e******ns when he was taking them to the edge of the cliff to the right. Their party now is in an alliance with w***e s*********ts, Christian nationalists, Q conspiracy crazies, etc. They can't condemn these despicable people because they need their v**es. The Republican Party has been moving in this extremist direction for several decades, but Trump just ramped it up to a whole new level.
Trump deserves most of the blame for the sorry sta... (show quote)


You’re a delusional lunatic if you believe that crap you just spewed.

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Dec 14, 2022 20:02:27   #
cwp3420
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
No t***h.... just r****t garbage talk.

Have you picked up your hooded white robe from the cleaners yet?



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Dec 14, 2022 22:06:17   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Mitch only public comment on terminating the Constitution was that it makes taking the oath of office difficult.
What a sidestep.


I guess Mitch's comment flew over your head.

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Dec 14, 2022 23:10:13   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
sheldon minsky wrote:
There is no such thing as a reasonable gun law.


NRA quote?

Gnarly Taylor Greene to Stoneman Douglas High School shooting survivors?

Alex Jones to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting parents?

"Only in America." Reasonable people around world.

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