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Nov 29, 2022 16:44:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Keeping a copy off-site is helpful for backup, but there are a lot of variables.

(1) How far off-site? If your house burns down, it may spread to your neighbor's house, so that is not far enough. If there's a hurricane or flood or tornado, your kid's house 5 miles away may not be far enough. If there's a wildfire, 20 miles may not be far enough. How far do line glitches travel?

(2) Convenience. This determines how often your off-site backup is synchronized with your home backups. Basically, if that interval is too long you are risking recent files.

(3) Maintenance. Who maintains your devices? You? The person who controls your off-site backup? Is the maintenance done by professionals or amateurs? Cloud services use professionals and the off-site data are distributed WAY more than 20 miles. That mitigates local and regional disasters.

It really comes down to 'How much is your data worth to you?' or maybe 'How much pain would be caused by losing your data?'

'When it comes to backup, you can't be too paranoid'
Keeping a copy off-site is helpful for backup, but... (show quote)



There is inconvenience with restoring backups,
there is complete disaster (data annihilation?) in not having any.

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Nov 29, 2022 17:02:46   #
Bayou
 
TriX wrote:
...
End of rant…


Excellent rant.

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Nov 29, 2022 20:01:56   #
Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
For one hour.

Do you trust your local fire department to extinguish a house fire in one hour? Including time for discovery, call, and travel?


Well, the safe which is sitting on concrete blocks is under a fire sprinkler head.

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Nov 30, 2022 07:36:44   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Mr. SONY wrote:
Well, the safe which is sitting on concrete blocks is under a fire sprinkler head.


So what happens when an earthquake cuts off the water and starts a fire?

‘When it comes to backup you can’t be too paranoid’

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Nov 30, 2022 09:14:58   #
Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
So what happens when an earthquake cuts off the water and starts a fire?
Really?

‘When it comes to backup you can’t be too paranoid’


Well, I've experienced an earthquake on LI many years ago while out riding our motorcycles
just south of Grumman's property in Calverton, NY.
It was nothing.

Some people have become so silly over backups.
Yes, the 'cloud' is good for backups it's not the only backup strategy.
It's useless also if someone doesn't want to use it.
It's hard enough to get these people to use a backup drive.
The people who come up with all these silly arguments over backing up have no idea about dealing with people who
are not anywhere near as knowledgeable as they are.
You know how many people don't backup their pictures, etc. off their phone.
You know how many people have no backups of any of their data in their computers.
These people have no idea what the cloud is or have given any thought about backing up anything.

I'm not advising people who understand backups, clouds, etc.
Not too long ago some guy was either here or some other photo site begging for help over lost pictures and videos.
So, went wrong?
Lightening? nope. Water? nope. Earthquake? na na. A plane fall onto his home? nope.
He mistakenly he overwrote his one and only backup drive.
Such a simple mistake where it wouldn't matter if only, he read my mind and made addition backups.
My goal is to inform, teach, explain why they need more than one backup drive.
From his description about how angry his wife was about his mistake and how distraught he was he must have been crying at his screen.
Heart breaking and so simple to avoid if only he had two or better yet three copies of his data.
Copy and paste.
Screw up one drive, no worries you got two more.
Yes, at one time I serviced computers, pc, BTOS, Unix and then third party through the company I worked for.
Third party at times was awful.
You're dealing with people who are not like the showoffs here.
They're just regular people who don't fully understand their computers.
To have to stand in front these people and explain they just lost all their pictures, etc because their computer tech support
said to them, 'no problem. put the rescue cd in the drive. Turn off your computer and then turn it back on and the cd will run and reformat
your drive and reinstall the OS and all the extra programs.
Oops! bye, bye pictures.
I advise from a different perspective, the smart ones ever had to deal with.

Until you've stood in some one's home explaining to them about their loss of data with tears in their eyes, you won't understand.

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Nov 30, 2022 10:30:35   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Mr. SONY wrote:
Well, I've experienced an earthquake on LI many years ago while out riding our motorcycles
just south of Grumman's property in Calverton, NY.
It was nothing.

Some people have become so silly over backups.
Yes, the 'cloud' is good for backups it's not the only backup strategy.
It's useless also if someone doesn't want to use it.
It's hard enough to get these people to use a backup drive.
The people who come up with all these silly arguments over backing up have no idea about dealing with people who
are not anywhere near as knowledgeable as they are.
You know how many people don't backup their pictures, etc. off their phone.
You know how many people have no backups of any of their data in their computers.
These people have no idea what the cloud is or have given any thought about backing up anything.

I'm not advising people who understand backups, clouds, etc.
Not too long ago some guy was either here or some other photo site begging for help over lost pictures and videos.
So, went wrong?
Lightening? nope. Water? nope. Earthquake? na na. A plane fall onto his home? nope.
He mistakenly he overwrote his one and only backup drive.
Such a simple mistake where it wouldn't matter if only, he read my mind and made addition backups.
My goal is to inform, teach, explain why they need more than one backup drive.
From his description about how angry his wife was about his mistake and how distraught he was he must have been crying at his screen.
Heart breaking and so simple to avoid if only he had two or better yet three copies of his data.
Copy and paste.
Screw up one drive, no worries you got two more.
Yes, at one time I serviced computers, pc, BTOS, Unix and then third party through the company I worked for.
Third party at times was awful.
You're dealing with people who are not like the showoffs here.
They're just regular people who don't fully understand their computers.
To have to stand in front these people and explain they just lost all their pictures, etc because their computer tech support
said to them, 'no problem. put the rescue cd in the drive. Turn off your computer and then turn it back on and the cd will run and reformat
your drive and reinstall the OS and all the extra programs.
Oops! bye, bye pictures.
I advise from a different perspective, the smart ones ever had to deal with.

Until you've stood in some one's home explaining to them about their loss of data with tears in their eyes, you won't understand.
Well, I've experienced an earthquake on LI many ye... (show quote)


So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher, teach correctly. And especially if an individual is not knowledgable, be best thing he can do is listen to a pro, not another amateur who may or may not know what he’s doing. If you’re ill, do you ask your neighbor what’s wrong or see a doctor?

You’ve spent 4 posts and multiple paragraphs giving advice. Here’s correct, simple advice in a couple of rules:

1) You need 3 copies of your data - your working copy, an on-site backup and an off-site disaster recovery copy (if the other 2 fail).

2) the best off-site copy is in a MAJOR cloud provider such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft or Apple. If you have very poor (slow) internet, pick a service that you can send your data with a HD and they will send you a HD I’d you ever need to restore.
Lacking that, store one at a different location and update it regularly, but this is a poor substitute for the cloud.

3) if you don’t use SSDs, use enterprise class drives for everything, not the cheap $49 that’s on sale at Costco.

4) choose a cloud service that uses versioning (you can return to an earlier version of your file(s) if they become corrupted, infected with malware or accidentally deleted. And understand you backup SW or cloud’s deletion policy - if you delete the working copy, is it immediately deleted in the backup or cloud?

Simple.

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Nov 30, 2022 11:11:50   #
Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY
 
TriX wrote:
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher, teach correctly. And especially if an individual is not knowledgable,
If you're going to attack someone for 'teach correctly' maybe, you should proofread first. knowledgable is spelled knowledgeable. Really now!

1) You need 3 copies of your data - your working copy, an on-site backup and an off-site disaster recovery copy (if the other 2 fail).
Provided they have access to safely store that third drive. Not everybody does.
Ask the people who need the help first before expecting them to do so.

2) the best off-site copy is in a MAJOR cloud provider such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft or Apple.
If you have very poor (slow) internet, pick a service that you can send your data with a HD and they will send you a HD I’d you ever need to restore.
Lacking that, store one at a different location and update it regularly, but this is a poor substitute for the cloud.
Again, not everyone wants to use the cloud. What do you suggest? Twist their arm?

3) if you don’t use SSDs, use enterprise class drives for everything, not the cheap $49 that’s on sale at Costco.
First off, I don't use drives from Costco. I buy them directly from WD.
I have never had one fail. Not one of over 25 drives.
What do I do with my old drives? I give them away to people need them for backing up.
Have any failed? One Verbatim drive. Wasn't even the drive that went back but the interface.
I put that drive into a desktop computer.
BTW SSD drives aren't 100% reliable. They do brick. Not often but even they fail.

4) choose a cloud service that uses versioning (you can return to an earlier version of your file(s) if they become corrupted, infected with malware or accidentally deleted. And understand you backup SW or cloud’s deletion policy - if you delete the working copy, is it immediately deleted in the backup or cloud?
AGAIN!, not everybody is interested in using a cloud service. Should they be tortured until they do?
But they still need backup advice. OK, not as sophisticated as you would like, but they're not you.

I offer advice for people who aren't computer savvy. Of which there are a lot of them.
These are the people I give my old drives to. And show them how to copy off what they need backed up.
Simple.
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher,... (show quote)
Yes that simple.

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Nov 30, 2022 11:14:29   #
Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY
 
TriX wrote:
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher, teach correctly. And especially if an individual is not knowledgable,
If you're going to attack someone for 'teach correctly' maybe, you should proofread first. knowledgable is spelled knowledgeable. Really now!

1) You need 3 copies of your data - your working copy, an on-site backup and an off-site disaster recovery copy (if the other 2 fail).
Provided they have access to safely store that third drive. Not everybody does.
Ask the people who need the help first before expecting them to do so.

2) the best off-site copy is in a MAJOR cloud provider such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft or Apple.
If you have very poor (slow) internet, pick a service that you can send your data with a HD and they will send you a HD I’d you ever need to restore.
Lacking that, store one at a different location and update it regularly, but this is a poor substitute for the cloud.
Again, not everyone wants to use the cloud. What do you suggest? Twist their arm?

3) if you don’t use SSDs, use enterprise class drives for everything, not the cheap $49 that’s on sale at Costco.
First off, I don't use drives from Costco. I buy them directly from WD.
I have never had one fail. Not one of over 25 drives.
What do I do with my old drives? I give them away to people need them for backing up.
Have any failed? One Verbatim drive. Wasn't even the drive that went back but the interface.
I put that drive into a desktop computer.
BTW SSD drives aren't 100% reliable. They do brick. Not often but even they fail.

4) choose a cloud service that uses versioning (you can return to an earlier version of your file(s) if they become corrupted, infected with malware or accidentally deleted. And understand you backup SW or cloud’s deletion policy - if you delete the working copy, is it immediately deleted in the backup or cloud?
AGAIN!, not everybody is interested in using a cloud service. Should they be tortured until they do?
But they still need backup advice. OK, not as sophisticated as you would like, but they're not you.

I offer advice for people who aren't computer savvy. Of which there are a lot of them.
These are the people I give my old drives to. And show them how to copy off what they need backed up.
Simple.
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher,... (show quote)
Yes that simple.

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Nov 30, 2022 11:15:45   #
Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY
 
TriX wrote:
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher, teach correctly. And especially if an individual is not knowledgable,
If you're going to attack someone for 'teach correctly' maybe, you should proofread first. knowledgable is spelled knowledgeable. Really now!

1) You need 3 copies of your data - your working copy, an on-site backup and an off-site disaster recovery copy (if the other 2 fail).
Provided they have access to safely store that third drive. Not everybody does.
Ask the people who need the help first before expecting them to do so.

2) the best off-site copy is in a MAJOR cloud provider such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft or Apple.
If you have very poor (slow) internet, pick a service that you can send your data with a HD and they will send you a HD I’d you ever need to restore.
Lacking that, store one at a different location and update it regularly, but this is a poor substitute for the cloud.
Again, not everyone wants to use the cloud. What do you suggest? Twist their arm?

3) if you don’t use SSDs, use enterprise class drives for everything, not the cheap $49 that’s on sale at Costco.
First off, I don't use drives from Costco. I buy them directly from WD.
I have never had one fail. Not one of over 25 drives.
What do I do with my old drives? I give them away to people need them for backing up.
Have any failed? One Verbatim drive. Wasn't even the drive that went back but the interface.
I put that drive into a desktop computer.
BTW SSD drives aren't 100% reliable. They do brick. Not often but even they fail.

4) choose a cloud service that uses versioning (you can return to an earlier version of your file(s) if they become corrupted, infected with malware or accidentally deleted. And understand you backup SW or cloud’s deletion policy - if you delete the working copy, is it immediately deleted in the backup or cloud?
AGAIN!, not everybody is interested in using a cloud service. Should they be tortured until they do?
But they still need backup advice. OK, not as sophisticated as you would like, but they're not you.

I offer advice for people who aren't computer savvy. Of which there are a lot of them.
These are the people I give my old drives to. And show them how to copy off what they need backed up.
Simple.
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher,... (show quote)
Yes that simple.

Reply
Nov 30, 2022 11:19:39   #
Mr. SONY Loc: LI, NY
 
TriX wrote:
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher, teach correctly. And especially if an individual is not knowledgable,
If you're going to attack someone for 'teach correctly' maybe, you should proofread first. knowledgable is spelled knowledgeable. Really now!

1) You need 3 copies of your data - your working copy, an on-site backup and an off-site disaster recovery copy (if the other 2 fail).
Provided they have access to safely store that third drive. Not everybody does.
Ask the people who need the help first before expecting them to do so.

2) the best off-site copy is in a MAJOR cloud provider such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft or Apple.
If you have very poor (slow) internet, pick a service that you can send your data with a HD and they will send you a HD I’d you ever need to restore.
Lacking that, store one at a different location and update it regularly, but this is a poor substitute for the cloud.
Again, not everyone wants to use the cloud. What do you suggest? Twist their arm?

3) if you don’t use SSDs, use enterprise class drives for everything, not the cheap $49 that’s on sale at Costco.
First off, I don't use drives from Costco. I buy them directly from WD.
I have never had one fail. Not one of over 25 drives.
What do I do with my old drives? I give them away to people need them for backing up.
Have any failed? One Verbatim drive. Wasn't even the drive that went back but the interface.
I put that drive into a desktop computer.
BTW SSD drives aren't 100% reliable. They do brick. Not often but even they fail.

4) choose a cloud service that uses versioning (you can return to an earlier version of your file(s) if they become corrupted, infected with malware or accidentally deleted. And understand you backup SW or cloud’s deletion policy - if you delete the working copy, is it immediately deleted in the backup or cloud?
AGAIN!, not everybody is interested in using a cloud service. Should they be tortured until they do?
But they still need backup advice. OK, not as sophisticated as you would like, but they're not you.

I offer advice for people who aren't computer savvy. Of which there are a lot of them.
These are the people I give my old drives to. And show them how to copy off what they need backed up.
Simple.
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher,... (show quote)
Yes that simple.

Reply
Nov 30, 2022 11:53:00   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher, teach correctly. And especially if an individual is not knowledgable, be best thing he can do is listen to a pro, not another amateur who may or may not know what he’s doing. If you’re ill, do you ask your neighbor what’s wrong or see a doctor?

You’ve spent 4 posts and multiple paragraphs giving advice. Here’s correct, simple advice in a couple of rules:

1) You need 3 copies of your data - your working copy, an on-site backup and an off-site disaster recovery copy (if the other 2 fail).

2) the best off-site copy is in a MAJOR cloud provider such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft or Apple. If you have very poor (slow) internet, pick a service that you can send your data with a HD and they will send you a HD I’d you ever need to restore.
Lacking that, store one at a different location and update it regularly, but this is a poor substitute for the cloud.

3) if you don’t use SSDs, use enterprise class drives for everything, not the cheap $49 that’s on sale at Costco.

4) choose a cloud service that uses versioning (you can return to an earlier version of your file(s) if they become corrupted, infected with malware or accidentally deleted. And understand you backup SW or cloud’s deletion policy - if you delete the working copy, is it immediately deleted in the backup or cloud?

Simple.
So if you’re going to style yourself as a teacher,... (show quote)


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