Help on only Cannon products -focus on EOS 60D
Nov 15, 2022 18:00:07 #
amfoto1
Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
For a long time Canon's xxD camera line was their very "best" models, short of going full frame or full tilt "pro" (both costing multiple thousands of $). First there were D30 and D60. Then came 10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, etc... each of them saw new features and improvements. It was alongside the 10D that the first "Digital Rebel" (300D) was introduced. With that came the first EF-S lens, designed especially for the APS-C camera models.
The xxD series are above the Rebel series, using a higher specification shutter (e.g., 1/8000 top speed) and with a "true" pentaprism (Rebels use a lower cost, lighter weight "penta-mirror"). The xxD have a higher durability rating (100K "clicks" versus 75K in the Rebels), also typically have a more rigid metal frame and up to the 50D were all clad primarily with magnesium outer panels, where the Rebels used more plastic.
There has been one exception: The EOS 77D is actually a variant of the Rebel T7i. It does not have the usual xxD upgrades. Prior Canon offered a T6i and a T6s, or 750D and 760D... then for some reason they decided to use the odd naming convention with the following models... T7i and 77D.
Until recently the Rebel series tended to have frequent upgrades... roughly every 12 to 18 months. The more upscale xxD series have required updating a little less frequently, approx. every 24 to 36 months.
The 60D marked a "split" where the xxD series went a little bit "downgrade" (more plasticky) about the same time a more "pro" APS-C 7D (more durable, magnesium bodied, better sealed) was added between the 60D and the full frame & 1D series pro cameras. This was probably in response to Nikon's success with their D200/D300/D300s models, and now their D500.
For example, the 60D "lost" the auto focus fine tuning feature that was available on the 50D before it. The 7D has that feature too, as do all Canon models above the Rebel series ever since. ONLY the 60D lacks it!
70D, 80D and now 90D have followed the 60D. Parallel with them, the 7D Mark II followed the original too, but is the last of that line. So in a sense the 90D represents recombining the xxD line. 90D is still being offered, but may not ever be replaced since Canon is phasing out DSLRs in favor of their mirrorless R-series.
If you want cheap, other than 15MP instead of 18MP, the 50D may be a better choice at lower cost.
If you are willing to spend a little more, the 70D (20MP) gained a lot and the 80D (24MP) even more. Not just resolution, but in many features the later cameras are a step up as Canon further refined the xxD series after "stepping down" a bit with the 60D.
Compare 60D with 50D: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-50D-vs-Canon-EOS-60D
Compare 60D with 70D: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-60D-vs-Canon-EOS-70D
Compare 70D with 80D: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-70D-vs-Canon-EOS-80D
The-Digital-Picture.com website has much more detailed reviews of all these cameras, as well as most Canon lenses and accessories made the last 25 years or so.
DPreview.com is another good source of detailed info about Canon cameras.
Your mention having 28-135mm and 70-300mm lenses... Assuming they are both Canon lenses, they will be just fine with any of the above cameras. Those Canon APS-C cameras are fully compatible with every Canon EF and EF-S lens ever made. That amounts to literally millions of lenses on the used market and roughly 40 different lenses still in production today. Canon has already discontinued quite a few EF/EF-S lenses and won't be creating new ones, instead are developing RF and RF-S lenses for the R-series mirrorless cameras. Note that there have also been a large number of third party lenses made to fit Canon DSLRs. In general those will work well, too. But there can be issues using older 3rd party lenses on newer cameras or vice versa.
You mention "she is more focused on people/actors and some indoor and some outdoor. No sports, no landscapes, no birding. Maybe a bit of macro (eg-jewelry for sale on poshmark) and streetscapes, but that’s about it."
The 28-135mm makes for a very good "walk around" lens, although it's not very wide angle on an APS-C camera like the xxD series. For the subjects you mention, she probably won't have a lot of use for the 70-300mm, but who knows!
You mention indoor people/actors... sounds like stage photography or maybe some studio work. For that she may want some "fast" lenses... lenses with large apertures. Short to moderate telephotos, too, are what many prefer for portraiture. EF 50mm f/1.8 STM is affordable, EF 50mm f/1.4 USM is faster focusing. EF 85mm f/1.8 is another lens she might like. It's less common, but the EF 100mm f/2 USM is another good choice and the EF 135mm f/2L USM is almost legendary (but pricey). EF 200mm f/2L IS USM is a dream lens, but extremely expensive. Shorter focal lengths also might be useful at times and would be good for street photography, EF 35mm f/2 IS USM, EF 28mm f/1.8 USM, EF 24mm f/2.8 IS USM, EF 20mm f/2.8 USM. There are also EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM and EF 40mm f/2.8 STM "Pancake" lenses, both ultra compact. For macro photography the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM is excellent and reasonably affordable. The EF 100mm f/2.8 USM and EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM are a little to a lot more expensive, but also excellent.
Most of the above prime lenses are one or two or more stops "faster" than zooms. The fastest zooms are f/2.8... and are big and expensive. Still, if she wants a wider lens, there are EF-S 10-18mm IS STM and EF-S 10-22mm USM... The 10-18mm is compact and very affordable, a bit plasticky, but one of the few ultrawides with image stabilization and capable of excellent images. The 10-22mm is a little faster, somewhat larger, heavier and better built, a bit more expensive but one of the best ultrawides anyone has made.
Have fun shopping!
The xxD series are above the Rebel series, using a higher specification shutter (e.g., 1/8000 top speed) and with a "true" pentaprism (Rebels use a lower cost, lighter weight "penta-mirror"). The xxD have a higher durability rating (100K "clicks" versus 75K in the Rebels), also typically have a more rigid metal frame and up to the 50D were all clad primarily with magnesium outer panels, where the Rebels used more plastic.
There has been one exception: The EOS 77D is actually a variant of the Rebel T7i. It does not have the usual xxD upgrades. Prior Canon offered a T6i and a T6s, or 750D and 760D... then for some reason they decided to use the odd naming convention with the following models... T7i and 77D.
Until recently the Rebel series tended to have frequent upgrades... roughly every 12 to 18 months. The more upscale xxD series have required updating a little less frequently, approx. every 24 to 36 months.
The 60D marked a "split" where the xxD series went a little bit "downgrade" (more plasticky) about the same time a more "pro" APS-C 7D (more durable, magnesium bodied, better sealed) was added between the 60D and the full frame & 1D series pro cameras. This was probably in response to Nikon's success with their D200/D300/D300s models, and now their D500.
For example, the 60D "lost" the auto focus fine tuning feature that was available on the 50D before it. The 7D has that feature too, as do all Canon models above the Rebel series ever since. ONLY the 60D lacks it!
70D, 80D and now 90D have followed the 60D. Parallel with them, the 7D Mark II followed the original too, but is the last of that line. So in a sense the 90D represents recombining the xxD line. 90D is still being offered, but may not ever be replaced since Canon is phasing out DSLRs in favor of their mirrorless R-series.
If you want cheap, other than 15MP instead of 18MP, the 50D may be a better choice at lower cost.
If you are willing to spend a little more, the 70D (20MP) gained a lot and the 80D (24MP) even more. Not just resolution, but in many features the later cameras are a step up as Canon further refined the xxD series after "stepping down" a bit with the 60D.
Compare 60D with 50D: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-50D-vs-Canon-EOS-60D
Compare 60D with 70D: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-60D-vs-Canon-EOS-70D
Compare 70D with 80D: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-70D-vs-Canon-EOS-80D
The-Digital-Picture.com website has much more detailed reviews of all these cameras, as well as most Canon lenses and accessories made the last 25 years or so.
DPreview.com is another good source of detailed info about Canon cameras.
Your mention having 28-135mm and 70-300mm lenses... Assuming they are both Canon lenses, they will be just fine with any of the above cameras. Those Canon APS-C cameras are fully compatible with every Canon EF and EF-S lens ever made. That amounts to literally millions of lenses on the used market and roughly 40 different lenses still in production today. Canon has already discontinued quite a few EF/EF-S lenses and won't be creating new ones, instead are developing RF and RF-S lenses for the R-series mirrorless cameras. Note that there have also been a large number of third party lenses made to fit Canon DSLRs. In general those will work well, too. But there can be issues using older 3rd party lenses on newer cameras or vice versa.
You mention "she is more focused on people/actors and some indoor and some outdoor. No sports, no landscapes, no birding. Maybe a bit of macro (eg-jewelry for sale on poshmark) and streetscapes, but that’s about it."
The 28-135mm makes for a very good "walk around" lens, although it's not very wide angle on an APS-C camera like the xxD series. For the subjects you mention, she probably won't have a lot of use for the 70-300mm, but who knows!
You mention indoor people/actors... sounds like stage photography or maybe some studio work. For that she may want some "fast" lenses... lenses with large apertures. Short to moderate telephotos, too, are what many prefer for portraiture. EF 50mm f/1.8 STM is affordable, EF 50mm f/1.4 USM is faster focusing. EF 85mm f/1.8 is another lens she might like. It's less common, but the EF 100mm f/2 USM is another good choice and the EF 135mm f/2L USM is almost legendary (but pricey). EF 200mm f/2L IS USM is a dream lens, but extremely expensive. Shorter focal lengths also might be useful at times and would be good for street photography, EF 35mm f/2 IS USM, EF 28mm f/1.8 USM, EF 24mm f/2.8 IS USM, EF 20mm f/2.8 USM. There are also EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM and EF 40mm f/2.8 STM "Pancake" lenses, both ultra compact. For macro photography the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM is excellent and reasonably affordable. The EF 100mm f/2.8 USM and EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM are a little to a lot more expensive, but also excellent.
Most of the above prime lenses are one or two or more stops "faster" than zooms. The fastest zooms are f/2.8... and are big and expensive. Still, if she wants a wider lens, there are EF-S 10-18mm IS STM and EF-S 10-22mm USM... The 10-18mm is compact and very affordable, a bit plasticky, but one of the few ultrawides with image stabilization and capable of excellent images. The 10-22mm is a little faster, somewhat larger, heavier and better built, a bit more expensive but one of the best ultrawides anyone has made.
Have fun shopping!
Nov 16, 2022 00:10:24 #
Doc Mck
Loc: Terrell,Texas
amfoto1 wrote:
For a long time Canon's xxD camera line was their ... (show quote)
Very good analysis.
Nov 18, 2022 16:00:08 #
Wow, that's a horrible price. I paid $550 for mine and it's in stellar condition.
Nov 18, 2022 17:39:01 #
SteveInConverse wrote:
Wow, that's a horrible price. I paid $550 for mine and it's in stellar condition.
None at that price on B&H in excellently condition?
Nov 18, 2022 19:36:26 #
junglejim1949 wrote:
None at that price on B&H in excellently condition?
I saw two at KEH.com... one for 543 and one for 599, both in excellent condition
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