Finding a print company to print camera reference manual (Page 7): I’m amazed at ho many here think printing is a good idea.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

I’m amazed at ho many here think printing is a good idea.

MDI Mainer

SuperflyTNT wrote:

I’m amazed at how many here think printing is a good idea.

And some of them would really prefer it done with lead type on a flat bed press.

joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA

MDI Mainer wrote:

And some of them would really prefer it done with lead type on a flat bed press.

Nice shooting - and they sure don't make them like this anymore 🤎🤎⭐🤎🤎

MDI Mainer

joecichjr wrote:

Nice shooting - and they sure don't make them like this anymore 🤎🤎⭐🤎🤎

Thanks but I captured the image from the web, so can't take credit.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

MDI Mainer wrote:

The real problem is that most camera manuals are written by the cognoscenti for the cognoscenti, not the intellectual capacity of the writer. It takes much more talent to write for the layman, which is why there is such a market for user guides by independent authors.

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Ballony. If that were the case, there would be no need for a manual. Manuals are not to teach photography--but the particular controls of a camera. And the user is much more a "cognoscenti as you call the manual people than are those writers. The photographer knows what he is looking for and the manuals usually fall short. That is the reason the separate books are spawned.----ew P.S. I, in fact know some camera manual writers who are housewives who have never owned a camera.

MDI Mainer

OldSchool-WI wrote:

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You wrote "The real problem is that manuals about anything are written by idiots." Are you now saying housewives are "idiots?" Also what the ?:"%# is "ballony?"

As far as I'm concerned you're a lost cause.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

This idea of "friends" is so obviously made up too.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

MDI Mainer wrote:

You wrote "The real problem is that manuals about anything are written by idiots." Are you now saying housewives are "idiots?" Also what the ?:"%# is "ballony?"

As far as I'm concerned you're a lost cause.

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Speaking of lost causes---I give you as exhibit number one. Did you even read my post? I guess you agree that manual writers are likely to be disinterested housewives as camera experts from the headquarter's company. I found this to be true in real life. That is why there is a big market in third-party books to explain what can not be found in the OEM manuals. You claim the manual readers are the stupid ones----shame.-----------------

MDI Mainer

OldSchool-WI wrote:

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Speaking of lost causes---I give you as exhibit number one. Did you even read my post? I guess you agree that manual writers are likely to be disinterested housewives as camera experts from the headquarter's company. I found this to be true in real life. That is why there is a big market in third-party books to explain what can not be found in the OEM manuals. You claim the manual readers are the stupid ones----shame.-----------------

Cognoscenti does not equal "stupid" in the lexicon most people use.

tripsy76 Loc: Northshore, MA

Indi wrote:

Have you tried getting one from the camera’s manufacturer?

This is how I got a VERY nice hard bound manual for my Fuji X-H2. The manufacturer has a limited supply that they sell for what might have been $20 including shipping

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

OldSchool-WI wrote:

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Speaking of lost causes---I give you as exhibit number one. Did you even read my post? I guess you agree that manual writers are likely to be disinterested housewives as camera experts from the headquarter's company. I found this to be true in real life. That is why there is a big market in third-party books to explain what can not be found in the OEM manuals. You claim the manual readers are the stupid ones----shame.-----------------

For someone as “old school” as you are it’s amazing that you have as little understanding as you do. I don’t care if camera manuals are written by housewives, (a weird assertion that I have doubts about. I dunno maybe they wrote the manuals for the perfect Foveon sensor). The fact is that in my experience camera manuals are generally pretty well written. That experience includes Nikon, Olympus and Sony, so if housewives are writing them, kudos. The reason for getting a third party book is to put the information in context. Manuals are a good reference. If you want to know how to set something the information is there. But often people want more information. Not just what the feature is and how to set it but explanations of why you might set the feature different in different situations.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

SuperflyTNT wrote:

For someone as “old school” as you are it’s amazin... (show quote)

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So, you admit it. You need to be taught photography relative to the particular axe you purchased. I found that many important "words" are missing from manual indexes. As for "housewives" writing---they are merely manual authors. Authors for anybody's manual. Refrigerator today, Camera tomorrow. You don't have to believe me and I don't claim that to be universal. But if you need third party book authors to teach you photography--you have not been into photography very long?--------------

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

OldSchool-WI wrote:

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Once again a complete lack of understanding on your part. It has nothing to do with photographic knowledge. Virtually every new camera that is released now has a lot of new features that the most experienced photographers need to learn. My Z9 has a manual with 900 pages. The information is good but rather dry. It’s more enjoyable to learn by reading a well written book than poring over a rather dry manual. As for your “housewives”, if they are writing manuals it’s most likely because they’re working part time as technical writers. If you’re a company that makes products that require a manual you don’t want your high priced engineers to spend time writing manuals. Besides the cost many engineers are notoriously bad at communicating in lay terms. Technical writers are trained and well versed in the products they write about.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

SuperflyTNT wrote:

Once again a complete lack of understanding on you... (show quote)

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Dear Superfly----I have had my experience in reading poorly writen manuals. I currently use and have ready to go with 13 digital cameras. in three manufacturers. I would rant the manuals "poor" for all three. Maybe if they actually had a "high priced" tech or even an American writing them they might be improved. I know I could write better manuals.-----

Laramie Loc: Tempe

Badly written manuals, for expensive cameras? You should read a manual for a scooter made in Taiwan.