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Oct 29, 2022 12:17:09   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Architect1776 wrote:
No one is perfect as I have heard.
So you condemn those who are imperfect and fall short.
You seem to be the only perfect person besides Christ who can judge others.


Why are you so combative? Is it because you know I am a liberal?

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Oct 29, 2022 12:24:01   #
jcboy3
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Some are believers because they were raised that way. Some rebel because they were raised that way. Some have had things happen in their life that they require a support network for. Others have witnessed things they cannot explain. Some are afraid of death and need a comfort for it. The reasons are as many as there are people basically. My mom who was not religious answered my question about God like this. If you believe in God and there is not one you lose nothing. But if you don't believe in God and there is one you are screwed so bet how you want. I have saw a true healing in my life. It was my first wife. I'm not sure if she was healed by the ceremony and God or her belief that God would heal her. I do know she was healed of a terrible disease and to this day is healthy. There is still no know cure. Sometimes I think people are to weak to live in the world alone and need a group to help them through. Obviously I don't know the answer to your question but there are some things to think about. Also most religions are good and good things come from them. Yes there is always the bad apples and psychos. Lol.
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So it's okay to pretend to believe in a God to hedge one's bets, and this God is (a) okay with that, or (b) too stupid to recognize that?

Believe in God because it is good for business and provides a social environment.

Or be true to yourself and don't follow along to get along.

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Oct 29, 2022 12:30:01   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
jcboy3 wrote:
So it's okay to pretend to believe in a God to hedge one's bets, and this God is (a) okay with that, or (b) too stupid to recognize that?

Believe in God because it is good for business and provides a social environment.

Or be true to yourself and don't follow along to get along.


I made no suggestions as to what anyone should do or how anyone should act. That's each person's decision. I don't personally believe that if you so called believe to hedge your bet if there is a God it would work out as you had planned. Lol

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Oct 29, 2022 12:59:49   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
I have a thought about bad things happening to good people. Bear with me while I try to explain. According to the Bible god will return at a predetermined time. When Jesus was on the Mount with the devil the devil waved his hand and said if you rebuke your father all this will be yours. I have thought that until God returns the devil is in control of the world. Otherwise how could he have offered it to Jesus? I think God and the devil made a deal per se and when God returns the deal is over. That is why the devil offered it to Jesus and bad things happen to good people. Basically a test of faith for humans. Yes God still steps in occasionally and performs a miracle to let people know he is the top dog but the devil is running the day to day world until God returns.
I have self studied many main stream religions and one thing I have noticed is the basic story is the same across most all of them. Yes details each religion feels are of great importance are different but the basic story is very very similar. Again I don't know anything. Just my thoughts on what I have read ect.
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If the Devil is in charge and God is basically absent until He returns, isn't it a waste of effort to pray for good things to happen? Sounds like you believe in fate and any attempt to alter it is futile.

You did mention the odd time God will intervene, but if that is true then it is far too little.

On another debatable point, when the sun becomes a red giant and engulfs the earth, where will His chosen people (humans) be? Or do you believe there might be other versions of God's creatures and wonderful worlds somewhere?

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Oct 29, 2022 13:51:00   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
JohnFrim wrote:
If the Devil is in charge and God is basically absent until He returns, isn't it a waste of effort to pray for good things to happen? Sounds like you believe in fate and any attempt to alter it is futile.

You did mention the odd time God will intervene, but if that is true then it is far too little.

On another debatable point, when the sun becomes a red giant and engulfs the earth, where will His chosen people (humans) be? Or do you believe there might be other versions of God's creatures and wonderful worlds somewhere?
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It's funny that several people seem to want to attack my thoughts. They are just thoughts because no one knows. I'm not religious but have read several different Bibles for lack of a better word. Does anyone really think God worked 6 days and did nothing else in his eternal life? Good question huh? Here is a better one. How do you know we are not someone's science experiment sitting on a table in a lab? Or as my dad used to say. We could be an ant farm sitting on someone's dresser. My reply about good things happening to bad people was directed to someone who is a believer in God and I was presenting that person with my thoughts on that after having read several Bibles of different religions.

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Oct 29, 2022 15:48:27   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Why are you so combative? Is it because you know I am a liberal?


You seem to be combative because you know I am right and you are wrong as usual.

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Oct 29, 2022 16:54:14   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Are people religious believers because they are afraid not to be?


Maybe a few. I think most have their faith because it makes sense to us.

I do not live in fear of God.


The argument that I have heard supposed Christians make, and have again seen on this thread, that its better to believe and be wrong than to not believe and discover the wrath of God after death, is false faith.

Sounds like an insurance policy...

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Oct 29, 2022 17:03:18   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
mwalsh wrote:
Maybe a few. I think most have their faith because it makes sense to us.

I do not live in fear of God.


The argument that I have heard supposed Christians make, and have again seen on this thread, that its better to believe and be wrong than to not believe and discover the wrath of God after death, is false faith.

Sounds like an insurance policy...


As far as faith we all can believe as we wish and interpret it as we wish outside of murder or abuse or such vile acts that go against nature..
No one should question the manner or method of that belief as they could say the exact same of the questioner.

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Oct 29, 2022 17:55:44   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
Architect1776 wrote:
As far as faith we all can believe as we wish and interpret it as we wish outside of murder or abuse or such vile acts that go against nature..
No one should question the manner or method of that belief as they could say the exact same of the questioner.


BINGO!!!!

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Oct 29, 2022 19:25:12   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
Architect1776 wrote:
You seem to be combative because you know I am right and you are wrong as usual.


The Smartest Man in the Room strikes again. He believes in god and his own infallibility. Good christian, indeed.

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Oct 29, 2022 19:51:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Laramie wrote:
The Smartest Man in the Room strikes again. He believes in god and his own infallibility. Good christian, indeed.


And you judge me?

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Oct 30, 2022 07:15:26   #
melismus Loc: Chesapeake Bay Country
 
It all hinges on motivation. Faith rooted in fear, p***e, ambition, self-preservation, etc. is poisonous. God is Love; love is the life-giving motivation.

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Oct 30, 2022 07:35:52   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
It's funny that several people seem to want to attack my thoughts. They are just thoughts because no one knows. I'm not religious but have read several different Bibles for lack of a better word. Does anyone really think God worked 6 days and did nothing else in his eternal life? Good question huh? Here is a better one. How do you know we are not someone's science experiment sitting on a table in a lab? Or as my dad used to say. We could be an ant farm sitting on someone's dresser. My reply about good things happening to bad people was directed to someone who is a believer in God and I was presenting that person with my thoughts on that after having read several Bibles of different religions.
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I spend more time than I should yelling at your posts, but I see nothing wrong with what I believe you have tried to say here. You haven't claimed any special knowledge, or insight. If you put anyone down, I missed it. There is probably nothing you could say about religion that wouldn't piss off someone.

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Oct 30, 2022 07:49:33   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
mwalsh wrote:
Maybe a few. I think most have their faith because it makes sense to us.

I do not live in fear of God.


The argument that I have heard supposed Christians make, and have again seen on this thread, that its better to believe and be wrong than to not believe and discover the wrath of God after death, is false faith.

Sounds like an insurance policy...


It sounds exactly like an insurance policy, and I've seen it expressed here many times. Besides if one is able to accept the possibility of no god, it shouldn't be that hard to accept the possibility of more than one god, making it no longer a binary choice. Not knocking religion, just quite amused at the concept of "tricking" an all knowing god. The whole story doesn't make sense to me. That doesn't mean that it shouldn't make sense to you.

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Oct 30, 2022 08:15:12   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Are people religious believers because they are afraid not to be?


As a young person I went to church every Sunday and was baptized in my teens. In my later teen years I drifted away and didn't get back into the church until about five years ago. When I see how everything works in this world I can't help but believe it is by intelligent design. Take the human body for example and how all the organs work together or childbirth also. Think of every step that must happen before a child is born. Would or could people multiply if sexual intercourse was not a pleasurable activity? It is pleasurable to entice people to multiply. Is this by chance or by intelligent design? I do question many things written in the Bible. Actually I fully understand why people believe and also why there are those who don't. Either way I don't judge.

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