Cell phone camera (Page 2): Bebulamar, Not really blaming the phone on the loss of busieness at least not at that tiime. Social media was nowhere near in sight. The main first loss was...

coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA

Bebulamar,
Not really blaming the phone on the loss of busieness at least not at that tiime. Social media was nowhere near in sight.

The main first loss was from the real estate market and the lending institutions. I had a very large clientele of real estate agents. They would come in every day with 3-5 or more rolls of film and get 3-5 copies each to send to the lending institutions. Once the digital cameras reached 2-3 megapixels, the lending institutions would not accept prints any longer and required the agents send in digital files. That was the big first suck of life out of us and it happened over night.

The second came when we started seeing 8-10-12 megapixel cameras. The consumer was sucked in to believing they no longer needed film. Many were surprised at the crappy looking 8x10's they were getting but resolution increased rapidly and that issue slowly went away. Again, no social media was involved.
I was doing almost 1 million in sales developing and printing only at my peak. When I sold the lab I was doing $145,000. Not sure what role social media played in that but that's the way the market went.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

BebuLamar wrote:

Don't blame it on the phone for your lost of business but rather the social media. If there is no social media people still go to your lab anh have prints made although it's a different kind of prints. But the social media made prints obsolete kind of.

No, social media didn’t make prints obsolete. Social media merely used the new tech.

Digital camera tech which includes the phone cameras, canibalized film photography. The phones replaced the point and shoot and other film cameras which used the photo booths.

mudduck

I dont understand?? I see posts all the time here touting the better the lens is, the sharper the shots you'll be capable of getting, always buy the biggest best sensor you can afford in your camera selection, now some of the posts seem to say tiny lens and tiny chips are just as good. I guess next year the big thing will be Nikon, Canon, Hasselblad and Olympus cell phones.

r1ch Loc: Colorado

Morry wrote:

Read a review recently for a Sony cell phone I think they call Isperia. I may have got the spelling wrong. On that phone the lens appears to be an almost full range lens. The phone also had other interesting features that would appeal to a photographer. Sounds like the cell phone of the future. However I could never be interested at the price which is about $1600.

I used to get all my top of the line phones for free every two years switching contracts to a new Cell service provider. This time it was a Samsung S22 Ultra but I had to spend $200 for it. That is how you buy phones.

My new phone has 3 lenses, 100mp sensor on one of them. Computational photograph and editor built in.

There are only a few advantages higher end cameras have now days. The biggest one is the ability to trigger off camera flash and some speed issues shooting fast action (though some of them had nearly overcome that obstacle.)

Hip Coyote

mudduck wrote:

I dont understand?? I see posts all the time here touting the better the lens is, the sharper the shots you'll be capable of getting, always buy the biggest best sensor you can afford in your camera selection, now some of the posts seem to say tiny lens and tiny chips are just as good. I guess next year the big thing will be Nikon, Canon, Hasselblad and Olympus cell phones.

Take a look at most photos on this site....in most cases (including mine) a cell phone will suffice. When I use the term, "suffice" it is on purpose...the notion of sufficing, meaning to get by or acceptable. People, like me, weigh the benefits and detriments of all camera gear...sensor size, weight, etc. Which is why I shoot m43 gear. That slide is being pushed towards cell phones because of convenience, quality and drastically increasing tech excellence. As a good example, my wife caught this on her iPhone 12 while we were in Morocco...it may well be one of the better shots taken for our collection...I carried m43 gear and heavy pro lenses...I may not do that for the upcoming trip to Egypt. I did edit this shot a bit and may do some more editing to bring out the grain in the sand. But it was a decent capture up front. Does it suffice? That and more. Is it a Nikon Z9 with high end glass capture? No...but would one have had their heavy camera ready to shoot in this case after hopping off a camel ride? Probably not. Does it capture a memory and a good photo? I think so.

coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA

Hip Coyote,
Will have to agree with you on most if not all points.
I’m soon to turn 72, not that it’s that old. But I recently shot the air show in Huntington Beach with my D850 & 200-500mm lens and my Z9 with FTZ adapter and 24-120mm lens. I was worn out by days end. Especially trying to steady the D850/200-500 configuration while panning on the Thunderbirds straight up in the sky.
And although not ready to put them in the for sale thread, I am looking forward to the iPhone 14 Pro to take a lot of load off, especially seeing the photo you posted.
Got a message the phone shipped. Just in time because I’ll be heading east for foliage in 2 weeks.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

mudduck wrote:

I dont understand?? I see posts all the time here touting the better the lens is, the sharper the shots you'll be capable of getting, always buy the biggest best sensor you can afford in your camera selection, now some of the posts seem to say tiny lens and tiny chips are just as good. I guess next year the big thing will be Nikon, Canon, Hasselblad and Olympus cell phones.

On UHH you get:
(1) Expert advice
(2) Strong conflicting opinions
(3) Completely wrong answers

It's up to the reader to sort them all out.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

coolhanduke wrote:

Hip Coyote,
...I recently shot the air show in Huntington Beach with my D850 & 200-500mm lens and my Z9 with FTZ adapter and 24-120mm lens. I was worn out by days end. Especially trying to steady the D850/200-500 configuration while panning on the Thunderbirds straight up in the sky....

I find my M43 system is much easier to handle than my Nikon system. Consider trying M43 for long shots. The IQ is great, in good light, and the lenses are considerably smaller and lighter.

r1ch Loc: Colorado

Hip Coyote wrote:

Take a look at most photos on this site....in most... (show quote)

Sure this work and I agree that photos like this can be done with a newer phone.

BUT you can't use a phone to shoot, birds in flight like bald eagles, or motocross/supercross or other fast moving sports. Portraiture with off camera flash, focus bracketing macro, I could go on but there are some things the phone camera cannot do, at this point in time. They do keep getting better.

Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky

I am always amused at the photographers that care about what kind of camera I choose to photograph with. I pass them on the trails with their heavy tripod mounted cameras over their shoulders, big camera backpacks mounted on their backs, and I can almost read their minds. " Look at that guy with a strap mounted IPhone hung around his neck! He must think he's a photographer! He's never going to be able to get a photo as good as me!". I just smile and walk on by remembering those days when I was one of those guys. The thing is, I really don't care what other people think about me or my photography equipment! My goal is always to capture images that " I like". If someone else likes them, it's just icing on the cake!

r1ch Loc: Colorado

mudduck wrote:

I dont understand?? I see posts all the time here touting the better the lens is, the sharper the shots you'll be capable of getting, always buy the biggest best sensor you can afford in your camera selection, now some of the posts seem to say tiny lens and tiny chips are just as good. I guess next year the big thing will be Nikon, Canon, Hasselblad and Olympus cell phones.

Well it depends on the needs or wants of the photographer. Do you want to print big? Do you want to shoot sports, birds in flight, off camera flash portraiture, focus bracketed macro in the field, multi shot astrophotography or some other niche photography that has very high requirements of your gear.

If not and you are just taking snapshot then the phone will easily get good images.

r1ch Loc: Colorado

Fstop12 wrote:

I am always amused at the photographers that care about what kind of camera I choose to photograph with. I pass them on the trails with their heavy tripod mounted cameras over their shoulders, big camera backpacks mounted on their backs,

I pass you on the trail with my big heavy gear bag riding an ebike. What does it matter?

Each person chooses what they want to carry. If you are old and feable, maybe a phone is good for you or if you just don't want to carry the weight, great. But to look down at others because they have a big lens is kinda dumb. If they can do it, and you can't or are unwilling, more power to them.

alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ

My biggest complaint with cellphone companies is that they focus more attention on the camera than they do on the lousy cellphone performance or lack thereof. Can you hear me now?

r1ch Loc: Colorado

alberio wrote:

My biggest complaint with cellphone companies is that they focus more attention on the camera than they do on the lousy cellphone performance or lack thereof. Can you hear me now?

I hear you.

Also they force you to move to a new phone by saying they are going to shut down 2g, then 3g then 4g will have limited speed and service. It seems like at the end of two years the phone seems to have some nagging software issues making you want a new phone. Is it conspiracy? I don't know but it seems they want you to upgrade. But if they give you a new phone (or even cheap like 200 bucks for a top of the line phone) if you switch carriers, then I am in.

Can you hear me now? No? then upgrade :)

Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky

r1ch wrote:

I pass you on the trail with my big heavy gear bag riding an ebike. What does it matter?

Each person chooses what they want to carry. If you are old and feable, maybe a phone is good for you or if you just don't want to carry the weight, great. But to look down at others because they have a big lens is kinda dumb. If they can do it, and you can't or are unwilling, more power to them.

That's just it, it doesn't matter to me. I don't look down on you, I don't care what you shoot with.