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Oct 5, 2022 18:30:38   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
User ID wrote:
Firstly, NO filter will help. Filters can only make it worse.

Your image has all or most of the data need. I edited your thumbnail using only the tools built into the phone. Its just 2 minutes work. (See attached.)

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If you face this situation very often you might consider a new, less complex, lens. Worst lenses will be 10x "do it all" zooms. Best is a modest aperture prime. Rather often the solution is a 3x or 4x modest aperture zoom like 24-70 or 70-210, f/4 in either case (or both).
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Oct 5, 2022 19:23:07   #
User ID
 
Najataagihe wrote:
"In the mornings..."


First thing in the morning, everything is going to be blue.

The sun comes up and all the moisture from the dew and the ground starts evaporating, creating a light fog - especially, if the moisture is contained by trees.

By "light fog", I mean it doesn't even look like fog.


To cut through it, use a light yellow filter and correct the color in post-processing.


Good luck!

Do NOT use any filter. NONE. Also play it safe by ignoring entirely all the content of any posts from such phony experts.

Anyone who suggests adding more glass has no credibility in general. Mentally blacklist all such sources.

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Oct 5, 2022 19:36:14   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
TommiRulz wrote:
I am a horse show photographer, in the mornings the sun creates this crazy weird sun haze. Most the time I can fix it in post, but not always. I have attached some pictures so you can see. Do you guys know of a filter that might help with this?? Thanks for your time


I’m not sure if my advice can match the pros here. First off I would try to walk around and see if I can find a better vantage point. Most often I use a circular polarizing filter in a situation like this. I would try a wide angle lens with few elements. That might help. If I am incorrect in my advice, please critique me so I can better understand.

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Oct 5, 2022 21:25:23   #
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Scruples wrote:
I’m not sure if my advice can match the pros here. First off I would try to walk around and see if I can find a better vantage point. Most often I use a circular polarizing filter in a situation like this. I would try a wide angle lens with few elements. That might help. If I am incorrect in my advice, please critique me so I can better understand.

Okay. Polarizer: Thaz a double loser. It has waaaay too much glass and has no pictorial use cuz the sun is at the wrong angle for any effect.

Next. Wide angle lenses: Usually built with large curvatures and many more elements than longer lenses. Again too much glass just begging for flare. Also near impossible to fit an effective hood.

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The most likely ideal candidates for shooting into the morning sun are Sigma 45/2.8 and 90/2.8 ... for reasons already covered in the thread. These do not fit every camera, but they do fit the most appropriate cameras.

If forced to use a wide lens, Sigma has a 24/3.5. Hard to find an f/3.5 wide angle these days !

I have no special loyalty to Sigma. They just happen to have a line of rather conservative AF prime lenses that no one else offers.

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Oct 5, 2022 21:59:47   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
User ID wrote:
Okay. Polarizer: Thaz a double loser. It has waaaay too much glass and has no pictorial use cuz the sun is at the wrong angle for any effect.

Next. Wide angle lenses: Usually built with large curvatures and many more elements than longer lenses. Again too much glass just begging for flare. Also near impossible to fit an effective hood.


Thank you for clarifying those points. I thought a CPL would help. Obviously I am in error. As for a wide angle lens I actually thought that it too has fewer elements. I appreciate your advice and insight.

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Oct 5, 2022 22:42:06   #
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Scruples wrote:
Thank you for clarifying those points. I thought a CPL would help. Obviously I am in error. As for a wide angle lens I actually thought that it too has fewer elements. I appreciate your advice and insight.

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Oct 6, 2022 03:42:26   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
TommiRulz wrote:
THANK YOU - very good advise - I tried fixing the bay horse in post but it did not look as good as yours.... I will play with your tips today and see if I can get it better. THANKS again


Here are the actual adjustment on one of the photos.

In Photoshop:
1. click the "Create new fill or adjustment layer"
2. choose the adjustment you need
3. apply the adjustment as per you see fit.

The adjustment layers are called "non destructive edit" meaning, any changes in them are not fixed and do not change the original image. You can keep playing with them without any problem But when you save to jpeg you can accidentally overwrite the original. So when you open the image in photoshop, immediately save it as PSD with a different file name. Maybe just add the letter e (for edit)in the file name so they will sit side by side in the folder list. This is to prevent accidentally writing over your original file.

Note that each adjustment layer affects everything under it. How you arrange them (which one is on top or under) can create a different outcome.
With variables too easy to mix up, understanding what each adjustment brings into play is important, to avoid wild guessing and waiting for luck.

Since we were dealing with haze, we;
A. Use the warming filter to subdue the blue tint/balance the color
B. Use the S-curve to finely adjust the light to dark zones of the image, with the aim of creating more contrast hence maximising the visibility of details
C. Use the Vibrance to increase the contrast within the colors, and the Saturation to make the colors more vivid.

In a nutshell we did 4 things.
a, balance the color to remove the blue tint.
b, adjust the levels to bring out tonal contrast and details
c1, adjust the color depth to bring out color contrast
c2, Adjust the saturation to bring out more color

Please note that this is just one way to skin the proverbial cat. Different images may require a different approach and usually with PS, many ways are possible to get the same/similar result.


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Oct 6, 2022 04:18:53   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Wallen wrote:
.....balance the color to remove the blue tint.....


You have made the very useful observation that haze very often has a pronounced blue tint. My preferred method of using that fact is to use the HSL tool to darken and desaturate blue. If there's a lot of blue sky in the shot there'll be a limit to how far you can go with that technique, but it's so effective it's worth applying it even if it's just partial. I've often gone to the extent of desaturating and darkening blue globally then selecting the sky, water or whatever and reintroducing blue to replace what was lost in those parts. Moderate use of split toning can also be used to strengthen a diminished ambient colour (with the technique just described that would be mostly in the highlights).

Again you make the useful observation that haze causes a loss of contrast, sharpness, detail and saturation. I find that a combination of Contrast (mostly) and Clarity (tweaks) is best for dealing with the loss of contrast. The HSL tool allows colours to be strengthened individually as required.

One of the more effective adjustments that you can make to reduce haze is to lower the highlights (and to a lesser extent the mid tones if you have that option). The effect of the Shadows slider usually extends up into the mid tones so lifting the shadows too high can aggravate haze in a way that's difficult to mitigate.

But since most editors nowadays have a Dehaze slider, that's the best single slider adjustment. Often with an extreme adjustment of Dehaze the blacks become too pronounced and solid, which can be mitigated by moving the Blacks slider to the right a little. Plus if you apply adjustments via selections you can avoid aggravating haze by simply avoiding it, or alternatively avoid problems elsewhere by limiting your adjustments to the haze itself. Global adjustments will always be more limited in that scenario.

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Oct 6, 2022 05:16:26   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
TommiRulz wrote:
I am a horse show photographer, in the mornings the sun creates this crazy weird sun haze. Most the time I can fix it in post, but not always. I have attached some pictures so you can see. Do you guys know of a filter that might help with this?? Thanks for your time


You could try using a tripod and a cable release. That way you could get the camera set up and then stand beside it with the cable release. That way the horses won't see you lurking behind your camera - which from their point of view probably looks a bit threatening. You could even lean against the fence just like all of the other spectators so the horses will be none the wiser. My other advice would be to stand in shadow if possible, to avoid getting direct sunlight on the lens. My other other advice would be to use silent mode if you have it.

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Oct 6, 2022 05:41:44   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
R.G. wrote:
You have made the very useful observation that haze very often has a pronounced blue tint. My preferred method of using that fact is to use the HSL tool to darken and desaturate blue. If there's a lot of blue sky in the shot there'll be a limit to how far you can go with that technique, but it's so effective it's worth applying it even if it's just partial. I've often gone to the extent of desaturating and darkening blue globally then selecting the sky, water or whatever and reintroducing blue to replace what was lost in those parts. Moderate use of split toning can also be used to strengthen a diminished ambient colour (with the technique just described that would be mostly in the highlights).

Again you make the useful observation that haze causes a loss of contrast, sharpness, detail and saturation. I find that a combination of Contrast (mostly) and Clarity (tweaks) is best for dealing with the loss of contrast. The HSL tool allows colours to be strengthened individually as required.

One of the more effective adjustments that you can make to reduce haze is to lower the highlights (and to a lesser extent the mid tones if you have that option). The effect of the Shadows slider usually extends up into the mid tones so lifting the shadows too high can aggravate haze in a way that's difficult to mitigate.

But since most editors nowadays have a Dehaze slider, that's the best single slider adjustment. Often with an extreme adjustment of Dehaze the blacks become too pronounced and solid, which can be mitigated by moving the Blacks slider to the right a little. Plus if you apply adjustments via selections you can avoid aggravating haze by simply avoiding it, or alternatively avoid problems elsewhere by limiting your adjustments to the haze itself. Global adjustments will always be more limited in that scenario.
You have made the very useful observation that haz... (show quote)



There really are many ways to tackle the haze problem.
Prevention is always a top answer, and the simplest solution a close second. Although it is best to
understand the cause or fault because that will lead to knowing how to prevent it (or making it happen as a favored effect) and if unavoidable, which tool or tools can provide a solution.
Giving one options or preferred workflow.

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Oct 6, 2022 08:01:06   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
TommiRulz wrote:
Hey Everyone - thank you so much for all the advice !!!! I tried moving to the back of the arena, but it was spooking the horses, so I had to come back to the front. I do use a huge lens hood, and I can usually fix in post but sometimes it looks weird. I hate to admit this, but I do know how to open RAW files on my computer. So far the jpegs have been good enough. I will buy a haze filter today and give that a try. THANKS AGAIN -- You all are awesome


If you can find a spot that shades the front element of your lens...I think this is caused by the sun shining on your lens.

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Oct 6, 2022 08:10:20   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
rlv567 wrote:
Yes, just tell the show to reposition everything so you can get good shots!!! Then there will be no problem.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


Right!!! No problem... ha ha

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Oct 6, 2022 08:11:52   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
burkphoto wrote:
Many things can create this hazy look.

> Dirt, dust, and fingerprints on front or rear or both lens elements — Get some professional lens cleaning tools and be sure your lenses are all spotless before you use the camera. It's amazing how many folks forget to check this. I clean my lenses before any photo or video event.

> Failure to use a lens hood designed for your specific lens — Don't work "against the light" without the correct hood on your clean lens. I always use a lens hood/shade, unless I'm using my short macro lens within two inches of a subject. It hides stray light sources and protects the camera should I drop it.

> Using ANY sort of filter when pointing the camera toward a light source — Avoid filters when possible. Wear the camera around your neck on a good neck strap, or secure a tripod with sandbags and such, and keep the lens hood on, so a fall won't kill your front element. If you must use filters, be sure they are absolutely spotless. Clean them as you would any fine lens, on both surfaces.

> Moving a camera from a cold to warm environment — In humid conditions, atmospheric moisture will condense onto cold surfaces. Allow your gear to stabilize in temperature before removing the lens cap.

> Atmospheric haze — In early morning, or after a rain, there is often fog or haze in the air.

> Air pollution or smoke — At a scout camp, this is common... Near industrial sites, it can happen. In cities plagued by inversion layer topography, it can be a common problem!

> Bad white balance — Are you using a target to set your white balance? A white balance target can get rid of blue tints in shadows, or the tint from an overcast sky, whether you're recording JPEGs baked in camera, or saving raw data files. (It's used with the eyedropper tool in post production of raw files, and used with the custom/manual/pre-set function when recording JPEGs at the camera.) Auto White Balance is not a panacea for JPEG photography, although using it for raw capture isn't wrong if you have a gray balance reference in the scene.

> Bad menu settings for JPEGs, or ignorant processing practices when working in raw editors — Settings matter. You can get great JPEGs at the camera in many situations if you "pre-process" your images by changing the JPEG engine's menu settings. This takes a lot of testing and trial and error, but when you know what to change, your JPEG captures improve dramatically. If you edit raw files, use a freshly calibrated and custom profiled monitor and follow the software maker's guidelines for using their tools.

UV Haze filters really only work for distance scenes taken at high altitudes. They helped a LOT with film, by killing UV, which tends to fog film in a part of the spectrum humans can't see. Modern digital cameras have UV (and IR) filters built into their sensors, so they are mostly immune to UV below about 6000 feet (about 1800 meters). If you're above 6000', MAYBE they'll help, but I doubt they will help at close distances. They often CAUSE flare when photographing into/toward the light source.
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Thank You so much!!! Love all of this

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Oct 6, 2022 08:16:28   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
Alphabravo2020 wrote:
This happened to me on a recent shoot when I took the camera out at the location. I had forgotten to leave the AC off or otherwise protect the gear from cooling during the ride. There was a faint fog in the glass that I didn't notice and I was in a panic later that night when I saw that the first 50 were terrifyingly soft. Thankfully it went away as the lens warmed up.

Secondly, if you have a lens hood you shouldn't have this haze unless the sun in the field of view. In that case you are left to post processing dehaze as last resort.
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ha ha I live in South Texas.... the hottest and most humid place in the world... I have learned the hard way that my cameras can't come inside at night during busy weekends.... They have a very safe place in my garage else I will lose an hour in the mornings defogging

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Oct 6, 2022 09:02:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Is there a "Haze AI" yet?

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