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Sep 20, 2022 11:42:49   #
pendennis
 
Nobody parades like the Brits - Red tunics, bearskins, tams, Glengarries, kilts, sashes, pipes, etc.

And it brings up a question. As many know, the monogram of the late queen resembles "E||R" (Elizabeth Regina). King Charles signed an order allowing the continued usage of Her Majesty's symbols, regalia, accoutrements, etc., during the transition to his reign. The new monogram will be, of course "C||R" (Charles Rex).

The question becomes, mostly related to metal engravings, is can the old monogram be removed cleanly? I've seen other types of engravings removed with various amounts of success or lack thereof. The collar/shoulder brass seems fairly easy, just make new castings; embroidery can be removed/replaced, although with some risk.

I've seen some silver engravings redone to the point where you can't tell, but plated (chrome) metals seem a different animal. I saw lots of dress swords, halberds, bayonets, with the old monogram. Do they need replacement or is replating/refinishing done less expensively?

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Sep 20, 2022 11:57:37   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
pendennis wrote:
Nobody parades like the Brits - Red tunics, bearskins, tams, Glengarries, kilts, sashes, pipes, etc.

And it brings up a question. As many know, the monogram of the late queen resembles "E||R" (Elizabeth Regina). King Charles signed an order allowing the continued usage of Her Majesty's symbols, regalia, accoutrements, etc., during the transition to his reign. The new monogram will be, of course "C||R" (Charles Rex).

The question becomes, mostly related to metal engravings, is can the old monogram be removed cleanly? I've seen other types of engravings removed with various amounts of success or lack thereof. The collar/shoulder brass seems fairly easy, just make new castings; embroidery can be removed/replaced, although with some risk.

I've seen some silver engravings redone to the point where you can't tell, but plated (chrome) metals seem a different animal. I saw lots of dress swords, halberds, bayonets, with the old monogram. Do they need replacement or is replating/refinishing done less expensively?
Nobody parades like the Brits - Red tunics, bearsk... (show quote)


Well crap.... NOW I have something new to worry/loose sleep over...... Dang...

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Sep 20, 2022 12:13:30   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
yorkiebyte wrote:
Well crap.... NOW I have something new to worry/loose sleep over...... Dang...


OHH just take Lude at bed time

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Sep 20, 2022 14:41:22   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
OHH just take Lude at bed time


Hahahahah!!! Good advice! ...and too funny!

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Sep 20, 2022 16:24:56   #
SteveR Loc: Dallas
 
It's one thing to have QEII's face looking at you from paper money and coinage. To have Chucky III do so will be quite a difference.

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Sep 20, 2022 22:57:21   #
Just Shoot Me Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
I would think that anything with E-R still on it would become items of antiquity. Worth more than the new C-R.
"Hold Em If You Got Em."

Ron

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Sep 21, 2022 07:46:55   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
In our U.K. village, which is over one thousand years old, we still have a post box with VR on the front. Since Victorian times we’ve now had four Kings and one Queen and are now into our fifth King. The letter box still works fine and letters are collected daily by the Royal Mail. The only problem with it is the posting slot for modern day letters is too small for the size of many envelopes that are now used.
So, keeping the old designation in many cases has never been a problem.

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Sep 21, 2022 08:42:29   #
ddgm Loc: Hamilton, Ontario & Fort Myers, FL
 
pendennis wrote:
Nobody parades like the Brits - Red tunics, bearskins, tams, Glengarries, kilts, sashes, pipes, etc.

And it brings up a question. As many know, the monogram of the late queen resembles "E||R" (Elizabeth Regina). King Charles signed an order allowing the continued usage of Her Majesty's symbols, regalia, accoutrements, etc., during the transition to his reign. The new monogram will be, of course "C||R" (Charles Rex).

The question becomes, mostly related to metal engravings, is can the old monogram be removed cleanly? I've seen other types of engravings removed with various amounts of success or lack thereof. The collar/shoulder brass seems fairly easy, just make new castings; embroidery can be removed/replaced, although with some risk.

I've seen some silver engravings redone to the point where you can't tell, but plated (chrome) metals seem a different animal. I saw lots of dress swords, halberds, bayonets, with the old monogram. Do they need replacement or is replating/refinishing done less expensively?
Nobody parades like the Brits - Red tunics, bearsk... (show quote)


The new monogram will be CIIIR

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Sep 21, 2022 10:13:35   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
pendennis wrote:
Nobody parades like the Brits - Red tunics, bearskins, tams, Glengarries, kilts, sashes, pipes, etc.

And it brings up a question. As many know, the monogram of the late queen resembles "E||R" (Elizabeth Regina). King Charles signed an order allowing the continued usage of Her Majesty's symbols, regalia, accoutrements, etc., during the transition to his reign. The new monogram will be, of course "C||R" (Charles Rex).

The question becomes, mostly related to metal engravings, is can the old monogram be removed cleanly? I've seen other types of engravings removed with various amounts of success or lack thereof. The collar/shoulder brass seems fairly easy, just make new castings; embroidery can be removed/replaced, although with some risk.

I've seen some silver engravings redone to the point where you can't tell, but plated (chrome) metals seem a different animal. I saw lots of dress swords, halberds, bayonets, with the old monogram. Do they need replacement or is replating/refinishing done less expensively?
Nobody parades like the Brits - Red tunics, bearsk... (show quote)

Likely, it shan't be too long before C||R will need to be replaced by W||R. Why don't the Brits simply pick a generic monogram?

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Sep 21, 2022 10:54:21   #
Wasabi
 

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Sep 21, 2022 10:56:10   #
pendennis
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
Likely, it shan't be too long before C||R will need to be replaced by W||R. Why don't the Brits simply pick a generic monogram?



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Sep 21, 2022 11:34:37   #
elee950021 Loc: New York, NY
 
Unfortunately, there will be millions, and if Charles lives a while, billions of stamps from the Commonwealth of Nations countries, bearing his mug, not to mention currency and other ephemera. A good proportion of postage stamps are engraved and printed from metal plates.

See: https://www.distractify.com/p/will-charles-be-on-new-money

Be well! Ed

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Sep 21, 2022 13:14:10   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
Likely, it shan't be too long before C||R will need to be replaced by W||R. Why don't the Brits simply pick a generic monogram?

I’m afraid that would miss the point. This monogram, as you call it, relates to a person who can be identified by it. Like, for instance, the 150 year old post box in my village relates to Queen Victoria. With something generic a whole record of our history (that is important to us) would have been lost.

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Sep 21, 2022 15:37:20   #
pendennis
 
ddgm wrote:
The new monogram will be CIIIR


I don't think so. The monogram for Queen Elizabeth, II, doesn't carry a roman numeral following the "E". The monogram for King George VI was G||R

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Sep 21, 2022 15:37:37   #
pendennis
 
Canonuser wrote:
I’m afraid that would miss the point. This monogram, as you call it, relates to a person who can be identified by it. Like, for instance, the 150 year old post box in my village relates to Queen Victoria. With something generic a whole record of our history (that is important to us) would have been lost.


My original point was for the uniform regalia, not so much venerable icons such as postal boxes. The British military are sticklers for decorum and precision when it comes to military dress, etc. Some color sergeant, somewhere, sweats these details.

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