JimH123 wrote:
I did some Googling and I found Robin Whalley's Yo... (
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I wonder if that is still true? That video was from 2019
Rongnongno wrote:
LR is cropping according to the circle of diffusion...
What's a "circle of diffusion""?
jlg1000
Loc: Uruguay / South America
selmslie wrote:
What's a "circle of diffusion""?
Enormous misunderstanding of Optics.
He tried to write "circle of confusion" which is a concept related to depth of field... nothing to do with falloff, which is the reason why the OPs photos without correction showed dark borders.
jlg1000 wrote:
Enormous misunderstanding of Optics.
He tried to write "circle of confusion" which is a concept related to depth of field... nothing to do with falloff, which is the reason why the OPs photos without correction showed dark borders.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the circle of confusion. As related to DOF, wouldn’t the diffusion limit of the lens also play a role?
JD750 wrote:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the circle of confusion. As related to DOF, wouldn’t the diffusion limit of the lens also play a role?
The diffusion limit ?!?!
Context tells us that when Ron somehow invented(?) or used(misused?) the term "circle of diffusion" he was quite clearly referring to the lens circle of coverage.
Soooooo .... if there is also a "diffusion limit" its obviously the circle that defines the edge of the lens coverage.
On a PC, hit CTRL- to zoom out. Looks like your view is zoomed in.
Robg wrote:
I've started shooting in raw format and have noticed a few anomalies that I'm trying to understand. My camera is a Panasonic DMC-FZ300 with a 25-600mm (35mm equivalent) zoom.
When I look at the raw images in Google Photos there are clearly more pixels in the image than LrC is showing. It is as if LrC is cropping all four edges.
Another aspect that mystifies me is that when the lens is not zoomed, i.e., at its widest angle setting, the raw image displayed in Google Photos shows shadows (the lens hood?) at the corners, but when looked at in LrC those corners are cropped.
Below are four screen shots. The first two compare an unzoomed (25mm) image. The second two compare a fully zoomed (600mm) image. Although there are no obvious cropped corners in the latter pair, close examination shows that LrC has cropped the image, e.g., the rocks in the middle of the snow in the upper right corner.
One other difference to notice. LrC says the image is 4000x3000. Google says it is 4016x3016.
Can anyone shed any light on what is going on? Cropping the shaded corners in the unzoomed images is desirable. Does LrC "know" that my Lumix camera's raw images include pixels along the edge that should be cropped?
Although the cropping would generally be desirable on unzoomed images, is there any way to prevent LrC from doing the cropping in those cases where I would like to retain the pixels that have been removed?
FYI, these images are from Rocky Mountain National Park, near the Alpine Visitors Center at roughly 11,000 feet elevation.
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In addition to the other suggestions, make sure there are no presets applied to your imported images.
Robg wrote:
Another aspect that mystifies me is that when the lens is not zoomed, i.e., at its widest angle setting, the raw image displayed in Google Photos shows shadows (the lens hood?) at the corners, but when looked at in LrC those corners are cropped.
Looks like LR is applying lens correction while google photos is not. Try turning off lens correction in LR to confirm.
Robg wrote:
One other difference to notice. LrC says the image is 4000x3000. Google says it is 4016x3016.
Suggest you google "Camera Sensors, effective pixels vs total pixels". There are many articles about this very subject. It is by the mfgrs design, not a defect.
jlg1000 wrote:
Enormous misunderstanding of Optics.
He tried to write "circle of confusion" which is a concept related to depth of field... nothing to do with falloff, which is the reason why the OPs photos without correction showed dark borders.
You can count on several here to be confused about concepts and terminology. Too bad they feel compelled to sow confusion among the ranks.
JD750 wrote:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the circle of confusion. As related to DOF, wouldn’t the diffusion limit of the lens also play a role?
There is no such thing as a diffusion limit in optics.
selmslie wrote:
There is no such thing as a diffusion limit in optics.
You are right. I was referring to the defraction limit.
The Circle of confusion in my brain scrambled the words.
Capn_Dave wrote:
I wonder if that is still true? That video was from 2019
It's still true. Just took a look using the latest version of LR and latest version of DxO Photolab.
First image has been captured with a Sony A55 camera modified for full spectrum IR and using the Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 and taken at 10mm and with a 590nm filter. And LR did use the Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 Profile Corrections. In processing, the Red and Blue channels have been swapped to create the blue sky. And the image is taken looking straight up with the purpose of exposing a hot spot if this lens were to have this problem. And with this LR version, I see it. Notice the pink in the center.
The second image had the RAW processed with DxO Photolab, again using the correct lens module. Afterwards, I swapped the Red and Blue channels. And I can see the left and right edges of the LR version do get cropped slightly when compared to the DxO version.
I also see that the detail is a bit better in the DxO processed version.
But something else I see is the hot spot, taken at f22, is plainly visible in the LR version. But in looking at the DxO version, it's gone! I wasn't expecting this. But further processing, I was able to bring it back.
selmslie wrote:
What's a "circle of diffusion""?
In his case it’s the circle of delusion
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