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Nov 5, 2012 09:15:34   #
sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL
 
I hope folks know that the POTUS can't really do much without the Congress working with him/her.

Of course the POTUS does have executive privilege that can be used to confuse/change/eliminate lots of things.

Sarge69

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Nov 5, 2012 09:20:51   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Along with "confuse, change, and eliminate," you neglected to add "clarify."


sarge69 wrote:
I hope folks know that the POTUS can't really do much without the Congress working with him/her.

Of course the POTUS does have executive privilege that can be used to confuse/change/eliminate lots of things.

Sarge69

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Nov 5, 2012 09:39:05   #
lost_found
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Along with "confuse, change, and eliminate," you neglected to add "clarify."


sarge69 wrote:
I hope folks know that the POTUS can't really do much without the Congress working with him/her.

Of course the POTUS does have executive privilege that can be used to confuse/change/eliminate lots of things.

Sarge69


And according to Mitt's own web site, he worked so well with the other side of the aisle he had over 800 vetoes while Gov. of MA. Does not sound like they were working together very well to me. What's his projected % in MA? 37% does not seem like the people approved of the job he did for them. History does repeat.

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Nov 5, 2012 10:45:13   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Bmac, you fail to understand one thing evident all through this campaign. Romney's positions change according to who is is speaking to. Don't you get it ? How easy it has been for him to hoodwink you and millions of others ! All you have had to do is observe. Sure, you can find his position on an issue -- and elsewhere, uttered a few days sooner or later you can find recently-stated, contradictory positions on the same issue.


Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
This is another way of saying that you don't really know what his positions are. None of us really do.

Bmac wrote:
Again, I will not discuss generalities with you, but I do hope your thread gets the answers you desire. 8-)


Or, another way of saying you don't have any idea what ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative positions you are referring to. I suggest that his positions are easily found and, in fact, were stated, as were Obama's, during the debates.
8-)
quote=Richard94611 This is another way of saying ... (show quote)
Bmac, you fail to understand one thing evident all... (show quote)


Seems from what Obama has promised as opposed to what he has accomplished, for people to vote for him again, suggests they are the ones being hoodwinked.

Also, it is rather naive to think that one candidate or members of one political party change position or pander to voters while other candidates do not. Did you know that Joe Biden voted for a constitutional amendment banning abortion? Did you know that Barack Obama said he would half the deficit by the end of his first term? They are politicians, they lie & promise things they know they can't deliver. They pander to voters. Until we hold all of them, no matter what party, accountable for what they say they will do, and then what they actually do, this same conversation will be regurgitated over and over again, year after year.

Obama has failed to accomplish his major promises. Hold him accountable.

PS Still waiting for the ultra-liberal positions Romney has put forth and the ultra-conservative positions he espouses now.

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Nov 5, 2012 13:26:54   #
Danilo Loc: Las Vegas
 
You guys are goofballs, Richard!
If you need a light switch repaired, do you look for an electrician who "really believes" in electricity even to the point of being against gas heat? You must!
Maybe we need a president who will be properly responsive to his core constituency, while letting his personal beliefs ride in the back seat. It would have been absolutely wrong for Romney to be a conservative governor in Massachusetts. So what's so wrong that he would be more liberal, or centrist, in that context and more conservative in his present context? I kind of admire that in him.
It is certainly possible for a person to be pro-life (me) and still say others should be free to live by a different standard. The core belief here is freedom, liberty, something liberals just can't get a handle on.
I notice, as we get closer to election day, you, Kit Lens, Rix Pix, et al, are getting more desperate to find fault with "the opposition", I understand that. But the thread is, BTW, becoming rather thin.

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Nov 5, 2012 13:59:22   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
Let the goofballs talk.
After all, today is the last day they will have!

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Nov 7, 2012 00:26:10   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Romney lost because he is and was a liar.



Robert Graybeal wrote:
Let the goofballs talk.
After all, today is the last day they will have!

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Nov 7, 2012 01:02:12   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Romnesha concedes

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Nov 7, 2012 02:12:17   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Bmac wrote:
RixPix, I do enjoy your visuals copied and pasted from that looney lefty blog you belong to. Here's one back at you. 8-)


My guess is that you were a bit to optimistic about Romney's chances. How's that feel?

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Nov 7, 2012 02:27:55   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
At least people will be able to hold on to their bargaining right for 4 more years

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Nov 7, 2012 13:10:48   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
RixPix wrote:
Bmac wrote:
RixPix, I do enjoy your visuals copied and pasted from that looney lefty blog you belong to. Here's one back at you. 8-)


My guess is that you were a bit to optimistic about Romney's chances. How's that feel?


Feels fine RixPix, perhaps he just needed another four years to right things & fulfill his promises, we shall see. 8-)

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Nov 7, 2012 17:14:42   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
I think it is doubtful that he can fulfill all his promises, but this will be the fault of the Republican House, whose members are bent on preventing his achieving his goals. Remember, these are the same folks who stated that their aim was to make him a one-term president and who did their best to stonewall his every attempt.



Bmac wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Bmac wrote:
RixPix, I do enjoy your visuals copied and pasted from that looney lefty blog you belong to. Here's one back at you. 8-)


My guess is that you were a bit to optimistic about Romney's chances. How's that feel?


Feels fine RixPix, perhaps he just needed another four years to right things & fulfill his promises, we shall see. 8-)

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Nov 7, 2012 18:12:04   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I think it is doubtful that he can fulfill all his promises, but this will be the fault of the Republican House, whose members are bent on preventing his achieving his goals.


It's a bit early to gather up excuses for him continuing to not fulfill promises, if that's what happens, isn't it?

Three points:
1. The Democratic Party had control of congress the last two years of the Bush Administration and the first two years of the Obama Administration. Control meaning majority in both the House and Senate. The last two years they have controlled the Executive Branch and the Senate. It's disingenuous and far fetched to place sole blame on the Republicans.
2. Politicians should not make promises they cannot keep, period. They do not deserve to be re-elected if they do not keep their pledges, otherwise they will continue to pander for votes during election time.
3. Presidents from both political parties have been able to govern effectively without having control of Congress. Bill Clinton was one of them. At the time Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House.

Using your logic...are you saying then that Newt Gingrich and the Republican House were soley responsible for the success of Clinton's final four years? Or perhaps, because Clinton was an experienced leader and the President of this nation he ably compromised to ensure the country's success? 8-)

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Nov 7, 2012 18:45:54   #
lost_found
 
Bmac wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
I think it is doubtful that he can fulfill all his promises, but this will be the fault of the Republican House, whose members are bent on preventing his achieving his goals.


It's a bit early to gather up excuses for him continuing to not fulfill promises, if that's what happens, isn't it?

Three points:
1. The Democratic Party had control of congress the last two years of the Bush Administration and the first two years of the Obama Administration. Control meaning majority in both the House and Senate. The last two years they have controlled the Executive Branch and the Senate. It's disingenuous and far fetched to place sole blame on the Republicans.
2. Politicians should not make promises they cannot keep, period. They do not deserve to be re-elected if they do not keep their pledges, otherwise they will continue to pander for votes during election time.
3. Presidents from both political parties have been able to govern effectively without having control of Congress. Bill Clinton was one of them. At the time Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House.

Using your logic...are you saying then that Newt Gingrich and the Republican House were soley responsible for the success of Clinton's final four years? Or perhaps, because Clinton was an experienced leader and the President of this nation he ably compromised to ensure the country's success? 8-)
quote=Richard94611 I think it is doubtful that he... (show quote)


Newt was egotistical and had ambitions for higher office. Boehner and McConnell have reached their dreams and are not worried about what tomorrow will bring as long as they win today. If BO is smart he will break it off in them as the American people have rejected the R platform and trickle down. The GOP as it sits today is dead. R.I.P. Forward

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Nov 7, 2012 19:11:08   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
lost_found wrote:
The GOP as it sits today is dead. R.I.P. Forward


A bit premature I think. This was said by many after the 2008 election when Barack was swept in with his hope & change message. The Republicans surged back in 2010, winning the House. Yes, Obama has been re-elected, but the Republicans have retained control of the House and perhaps have increased their majority of Governors. Hardly a death dirge. 8-)

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