Nikon vs Canon mirrorless
Aug 21, 2022 19:54:51 #
I have an old D800 and only two lenses AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm/f3.5-5.6G ED VR and a Tamron SP150-600mm f/5.6-6.3 Di VC USD Model A011
Looking towards a mirrorless but not in my immediate future
Thought the Nikon mirrorless Z7 II with a FTZ adapter would work for my 28-300 Not sure of the Tamron
The Canon mirrorless EOS R6 would be a logical competitor but much more expensive because I would need new lenses???? (not sure of that)
I mostly take pictures of my birds with my Tamron zoomed all the way out and use a dx crop to get a digital magnification on my focal length to about 900..
Used to shoot manual but am switching to priority mode with a auto iso.
Not totally camera tech savy but would appreciate any comments / recommendations in "plain speak"
I realize the cameras may be above my current level but think I have it in me to learn. This will probably be my last camera and will essentially be the purchase of a lifetime for me.
Looking towards a mirrorless but not in my immediate future
Thought the Nikon mirrorless Z7 II with a FTZ adapter would work for my 28-300 Not sure of the Tamron
The Canon mirrorless EOS R6 would be a logical competitor but much more expensive because I would need new lenses???? (not sure of that)
I mostly take pictures of my birds with my Tamron zoomed all the way out and use a dx crop to get a digital magnification on my focal length to about 900..
Used to shoot manual but am switching to priority mode with a auto iso.
Not totally camera tech savy but would appreciate any comments / recommendations in "plain speak"
I realize the cameras may be above my current level but think I have it in me to learn. This will probably be my last camera and will essentially be the purchase of a lifetime for me.
Aug 21, 2022 20:16:08 #
I had the A011, (G1), version of that lens and it needs a firmware update to work with the FTZ adapter. That lens doesn’t support the Tap-In console so you would need to send it in to get the update done. When I got my Z7, rather than that I found a used Nikon 200-500 and traded the Tamron in on it.
Aug 21, 2022 20:24:17 #
Go with the body that is going to be compatible with your glass. If you are going to make a full switch, glass and all, put Sony in the mix.
Aug 21, 2022 20:34:56 #
The Z7II boasts a 45MP sensor. Even ignoring all the other issues, the EOS R6 would be a step down, to 20MP, down from even your current D800 @ 36MP.
Aug 21, 2022 20:46:48 #
Tks I found on internet that my tamron and the adapter were compatible with nikon mirrorless but didn't know about update needed. If its not asking too much about how much does that cost?
Aug 21, 2022 20:48:12 #
sorry I should have read more carefully that you traded in your tamron Thanks for the reply anyway. It was useful.
Aug 21, 2022 20:48:46 #
Aug 21, 2022 20:55:01 #
True. It would be a step down. I've always wondered how much pixels I actually need in reality.
I've always shot in raw (I do like playing with all the photoshop buttons) and spent this morning reading KenRockwell's recommendation to shoot in basic JPEG. Makes me wonder.
One consideration (anyway according to the salesman who was trying to push Canon) was that the Canon has superior artificial intelligence allowing for greater recognition and tracking of birds than the Nikon. Perhaps my birder friends here know something about that?
I've always shot in raw (I do like playing with all the photoshop buttons) and spent this morning reading KenRockwell's recommendation to shoot in basic JPEG. Makes me wonder.
One consideration (anyway according to the salesman who was trying to push Canon) was that the Canon has superior artificial intelligence allowing for greater recognition and tracking of birds than the Nikon. Perhaps my birder friends here know something about that?
Aug 21, 2022 21:03:54 #
linda lagace wrote:
True. It would be a step down. I've always wondere... (show quote)
Consider the <Quote Reply> so specific responses have context.
Pixels are pixels. The pixel full resolution of the sensor is delivered to either RAW or JPEG, just use the largest setting for either format. A 45.7MP Z7II delivers 45.7MP into either the RAW or the JPEG. I may have missed Rockwell saying to lower the pixel resolution of your mega mega pixel camera(s) to something other than the largest / original resolution.
When you use your DX crop setting, that's most important that your start with the largest original full-frame pixel resolution. The DX crop on the D800 is 15MP. The corresponding EF-S crop on an EOS R6 is down to 8MP. A Nikon DX crop from a 45MP sensor gives you almost 20MP.
Aug 21, 2022 21:04:48 #
linda lagace wrote:
sorry I should have read more carefully that you traded in your tamron Thanks for the reply anyway. It was useful.
I think Tamron will do the update for free. You’d just have to pay shipping.
Aug 21, 2022 21:07:49 #
the price is right. Of course it means I would be missing my lens but I could do it during the summer when the birding season "dries up" At least at the Merced Wildlife Refuge where I normally go.
Aug 21, 2022 21:09:12 #
linda lagace wrote:
I have an old D800 and only two lenses AF-S Nikkor... (show quote)
IMO, which ever way you go you will need newer/better lenses and you really should be on a crop frame body. Right now the best crop frame mirror less for wildlife is the Canon R7 but you could squeeze by with the R10 ? Your affordable big zoom option would be the EF 150-600 Tamron G2 with adapter - otherwise the Canon EF 100-400 II with extender and adapter or the native R 100-500.
The best affordable big zoom is the Sony 200-600 - but Sony has not yet committed to a serious wildlife crop frame mirrorless body - yet ! - but maybe you can squeeze by with A6600 ?
Nikon, like Sony has good lenses but their crop mirror less bodies are not the best for wildlife/birds - yet. The Z50 may do in a pinch ? - with F lenses and adapter for affordability. The 200-500 only gets you to 750 mm equiv. tho.
Ostensibly, Sony and Nikon are coming with better crop frame mirror less ??
You need a 60 MP full frame sensor (or thereabouts) to equal the pixel density of a 24MP Crop body = $$$$
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Aug 21, 2022 21:10:31 #
linda lagace wrote:
True. It would be a step down. I've always wondere... (show quote)
The Canon will have a slight edge in AF but the Z7II is still very good, (much better than my Z7). The thing with birds is that often the longest lens isn’t enough to get the shot without cropping and that 45mp gives you a lot more leeway to crop and maintain IQ.
Aug 21, 2022 21:19:49 #
linda lagace wrote:
reading KenRockwell's recommendation to shoot in basic JPEG. Makes me wonder.
Aug 21, 2022 21:49:09 #
linda lagace wrote:
I have an old D800 and only two lenses AF-S Nikkor... (show quote)
You are used to Nikon menus, controls etc. and have two lenses already. Even though I am a "Canonista" you might be betteroff sticking with what you know and add a Nikon adapter.
In July I got a Canon R7 kit with the RF-s 18-150 and the basic Canon EF to RF adapter and they work pretty well with all of my lenses I have tried so far, including the Tamron 150-600 G2. I do plan on getting the RF 100-400 for light carry when after birds etc. Those big white Canon EF L series lenses are great but at almost 77 with a gimpy left leg I want the new lighter lens for out-and-about. Of course I would love the RF 100-500L, but it is almost $2800 and I already have the 70-300L, 100-400L mk2, Tamron 150-600 G2 and 1.4x extenders that fit and work with all of them for going after birds. The rest of that $2800 can go for other things.
I see no reason why the Nikon products should not do as well. You might contact Nikon support and ask about the Tamron if you are worried about it.
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