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Aug 14, 2022 06:58:15 #
Today in order to get improved sensors one is forced to aquire a whole new camera. That can be quite expensive especially for most people and only the few wealthy can afford to constantly upgrade.
Whereas in film days the technology of film was advancing and there were in depth articles on a new film and the technical marvels it had.
So if I wanted to upgrade my old FTb to the latest film (sensor) all I had to do was go to the store and get that new film.
It is sad that those without deep pockets today are left behind as new sensors are developed and cannot be retrofitted. I understand the complexities. But it is sad that to get that new marvelous film (Sensor) today requires a whole new camera rather than a few dollars as before.
Whereas in film days the technology of film was advancing and there were in depth articles on a new film and the technical marvels it had.
So if I wanted to upgrade my old FTb to the latest film (sensor) all I had to do was go to the store and get that new film.
It is sad that those without deep pockets today are left behind as new sensors are developed and cannot be retrofitted. I understand the complexities. But it is sad that to get that new marvelous film (Sensor) today requires a whole new camera rather than a few dollars as before.
Aug 14, 2022 07:05:54 #
gmontjr2350
Loc: Southern NJ
Architect1776 wrote:
Today in order to get improved sensors one is forc... (show quote)
Agree wholeheartedly.
George
Aug 14, 2022 07:11:50 #
zug55
Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
Five reasons why I am not sharing this trip down nostalgia lane.
1) Yes, sensors are getting better. However, improvements are quite incremental, so it is okay to skip a generation or two.
2) Even low-quality sensors provide higher quality images than film ever did.
3) Film was expensive too. Think about the expense of purchasing film, developing the film, and making prints. And you even paid for those shots that did not turn out.
4) Developing film and making prints was cumbersome, regardless of whether you did it yourself or carried your film to the store, to pick up the pictures five days later.
5) There were only 36 images per film--okay 37 if you did it right. So for a trip you took rolls and rolls of film, and then you had to change the film at the critical moment.
Frankly, I am "so happy" about digital technology.
1) Yes, sensors are getting better. However, improvements are quite incremental, so it is okay to skip a generation or two.
2) Even low-quality sensors provide higher quality images than film ever did.
3) Film was expensive too. Think about the expense of purchasing film, developing the film, and making prints. And you even paid for those shots that did not turn out.
4) Developing film and making prints was cumbersome, regardless of whether you did it yourself or carried your film to the store, to pick up the pictures five days later.
5) There were only 36 images per film--okay 37 if you did it right. So for a trip you took rolls and rolls of film, and then you had to change the film at the critical moment.
Frankly, I am "so happy" about digital technology.
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Aug 14, 2022 07:16:03 #
Aug 14, 2022 07:18:30 #
To clarify a couple of your statement.
No. 3. film costs approximately $0.15 per exposure for 35mm black and white.
No. 4. No it's not. Yesterday I spent a lovely few hours away from the entire world while I processed several 4x5 negatives.
--Bob
No. 3. film costs approximately $0.15 per exposure for 35mm black and white.
No. 4. No it's not. Yesterday I spent a lovely few hours away from the entire world while I processed several 4x5 negatives.
--Bob
zug55 wrote:
Five reasons why I am not sharing this trip down n... (show quote)
Aug 14, 2022 07:24:13 #
Aug 14, 2022 07:38:46 #
And the camera companies LIKE it that way. But I'm thinking that there may be much more to making the change than simply switching out sensors.
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Aug 14, 2022 07:43:33 #
One forgets or never knew the short comings of the pixel wars and higher pixels... more cutting of the sensor face makes a less perfect sensor.
I have seen YouTube commentaries that show hi pixel count is not worth the money when lower will do quite well. Example: Fuji 102 mp vs a 12 mp Sony both produce excellent huge prints. A blind test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Sej2TEes4
Beyond that, the new AI programs work magic... Topaz in September is coming out with a combo program including deNoise, Sharpening, and Gigapixel. Use autopilot and magic happens your historic 3 mp point and shoot file becomes almost semipro by AI.
I have seen YouTube commentaries that show hi pixel count is not worth the money when lower will do quite well. Example: Fuji 102 mp vs a 12 mp Sony both produce excellent huge prints. A blind test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Sej2TEes4
Beyond that, the new AI programs work magic... Topaz in September is coming out with a combo program including deNoise, Sharpening, and Gigapixel. Use autopilot and magic happens your historic 3 mp point and shoot file becomes almost semipro by AI.
Aug 14, 2022 07:58:53 #
rmalarz wrote:
To clarify a couple of your statement.
No. 3. film costs approximately $0.15 per exposure for 35mm black and white.
No. 4. No it's not. Yesterday I spent a lovely few hours away from the entire world while I processed several 4x5 negatives.
--Bob
No. 3. film costs approximately $0.15 per exposure for 35mm black and white.
No. 4. No it's not. Yesterday I spent a lovely few hours away from the entire world while I processed several 4x5 negatives.
--Bob
My point though is lamenting that as image quality advances today one is forced to buy a new camera.
Where in the past to improve or experiment with different looks like infrared or different color strengths all I needed was to buy a different roll of fim vs a whole new camera.
This is not meant as a debate on virtues of film vs digital which you have done a great job explaining.
Aug 14, 2022 08:01:23 #
foathog wrote:
And the camera companies LIKE it that way. But I'm thinking that there may be much more to making the change than simply switching out sensors.
As I said, I agree but sad that to change, one must buy a whole new camera.
Aug 14, 2022 08:10:47 #
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Aug 14, 2022 08:37:09 #
This onlooker believes that the history of photography will attribute analog and digital means of photography to their rightful place in the development of photography as another means of human expression.
Digital techniques of photography rest on the long practice of film photography.
As to photography in general, nobody ever said that this field of expression would be easy or inexpensive. The photographer Minor White opined that learning photography takes ten years. Others have noted that owing to the immediate feedback of digital exposures, the learning time has shortened.
Digital techniques of photography rest on the long practice of film photography.
As to photography in general, nobody ever said that this field of expression would be easy or inexpensive. The photographer Minor White opined that learning photography takes ten years. Others have noted that owing to the immediate feedback of digital exposures, the learning time has shortened.
zug55 wrote:
Five reasons why I am not sharing this trip down n... (show quote)
Aug 14, 2022 08:43:11 #
The old way: pick a film; select shutter/aperture combo; focus; click.
The new way: So many options...
I still do it the old way, sans film.
The new way: So many options...
I still do it the old way, sans film.
Aug 14, 2022 08:57:49 #
anotherview wrote:
This onlooker believes that the history of photogr... (show quote)
This is NOT a virtue of film or digital.
That has been beat to death.
Just what it takes today to upgrade the sensor vs upgrade the sensor of yesteryear
Aug 14, 2022 09:15:07 #
I don't understand. I see the tag lines with things like D7100, D7200, D500. Or D3, D4, D6. Are you saying people why used to buy the essentially the same camera model over model, suddenly they can't afford a mirrorless camera? The same legacy lenses operate on the new mirrorless. No one is forced to buy new lenses too. The turnover of mirrorless cameras will follow their mirrored-brethren. Plenty of used copies will be readily available at lower prices with plenty of long useful lives remaining.
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