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Aug 7, 2022 11:25:42   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
User ID wrote:
In my "Brand-X" camera both batteries are easily accessed by a door in the grip. So I dont care if they drain sequentially or together.

HOWEVER in my "Brand-Y" camera one battery is easily swapped by a door while the other remains in the camera, trapped there by the grip. In this camera you want sequential use, so the trapped battery is the back up, but mostly youre just swapping out only the accessible battery.

I don't care either if both drain at the same time or one then the other. Low/empty is low/empty.
My grip requires the removal of the in-camera battery, and the grip has a tray that holds the two batteries. No problem swapping when required.

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Aug 7, 2022 11:45:53   #
rwm283main Loc: Terryville, CT
 
elliott937 wrote:
Longshadow: I believe your are very correct. In my case, I do teach electronics in my physics class. When two identical batteries are connected in -parallel-, the current is doubled, and the voltage stays constant. That is why we get a "longer life" before we need to recharge them, both of them. Like you, I have Canon, and always with a battery grips. I will always remember the bitter cold winter storm we had a few years ago. I went to a local park to capture many beautiful images. Two fresh batters in the grip, and I put two more in a shirt pocket that would keep them close to my chest, hence receive body heat from me. Remember, in nearly all batteries, the output is a function of temperature. That's why in very cold weather, as the temp goes down, your "car battery cranking power" also goes down. So, back to the cold park. After about 40 minutes of shooting, the two in the pack ran down, so back to the car, and insert the two from my shirt pocket. Yep, I got another 40 minutes. In fact, I capture an image of a young father and his young child on a sled coming down a small hill, surrendered with snow covered pine trees on both sides. I capture some nice image. The dad asked if he could see them, and fell in love with the images. I told him to pick the one he likes best, and I'll email a .jpg to him. He told me used it to make their Christmas cards, all 400 of them. Kind of makes you feel good when you can 'make a difference'.

So, two (identical) batteries, in parallel, will double the current, and keep the voltage constant. In fact, I have a former student who likes to help fellow students when the bitter cold makes their cars difficult/impossible to start after classes. Dan bought a second truck batter, wired them in parallel and was then able to help many many students. 12vdc and a major high value of dc current. I hope this helps.

Sorry for the story about the young dad and child, but I thought the double battery part of the story might interest you and suggest we all look for ways to help other people with our images.
Bill
Longshadow: I believe your are very correct. In ... (show quote)


Great explanation on "How Things Work"

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Aug 7, 2022 12:25:13   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
Thanks!!

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Aug 7, 2022 13:09:11   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
jcsnell wrote:
Question concerning a battery grip. When using a battery grip with 2 batteries are you actually using 2 batteries or just one and the other is just your "back up" It seems to me whenever my camera shows low battery both need to be charged. Sorry for being so dense but I do not understand electronics very well. Thank you.


Canon cameras either...

- draw power from both batteries simultaneously (older models).

- draw power first from one battery, then when the power level runs low in that 1st battery, begins using the 2nd (newer models).

In the second example it's possible that only one of the batteries will need recharging. In the first example both will need recharging.

I don't think it's a hard and fast rule that the older models use the 1st method and the newer models use the 2nd. However, older cameras use "BP" type batteries, while newer Canon use "LP" series. A couple common examples of the older batteries are the BP511 and BP512. Some examples of the newer are LP-E6, LP-E12, LPE17. Both types are Lithioum-ion. The newer LP type have more tech in the battery that's primarily used to communicate with the camera. This communication may be why the newer grips use the batteries in the second method described above.

Some cameras might give you option to have the camera use either method. But that's not been the case with any Canon I've used with battery grips, which has probably been 8 or 10 different models over the years.

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Aug 7, 2022 13:24:40   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Canon cameras either...

- draw power from both batteries simultaneously (older models).

- draw power first from one battery, then when the power level runs low in that 1st battery, begins using the 2nd (newer models).

In the second example it's possible that only one of the batteries will need recharging. In the first example both will need recharging.

I don't think it's a hard and fast rule that the older models use the 1st method and the newer models use the 2nd. However, older cameras use "BP" type batteries, while newer Canon use "LP" series. A couple common examples of the older batteries are the BP511 and BP512. Some examples of the newer are LP-E6, LP-E12, LPE17. Both types are Lithioum-ion. The newer LP type have more tech in the battery that's primarily used to communicate with the camera. This communication may be why the newer grips use the batteries in the second method described above.

Some cameras might give you option to have the camera use either method. But that's not been the case with any Canon I've used with battery grips, which has probably been 8 or 10 different models over the years.
Canon cameras either... br br - draw power from b... (show quote)

And if you go all day and exhaust the second, then both batteries will require charging.
Amazing how that works, eh?

"Battery Low" is battery low, no matter how it gets there.

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Aug 7, 2022 17:10:11   #
gwilliams6
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Assuming I start with 2 fully charged batteries in the grip, both of my Sonys use one completely and then switch to the second one. I know this because the battery status shows on the LCD screen.


SonyA580 is correct, with Sony cameras they use one battery first then go on to the next battery in the removeable battery grip (Sonys don't use integrated battery grips). And Sonys will work with a single battery inserted into either slot of the two battery slots in the grip.

On the Sonys the removeable two-battery grip replaces the single battery in the camera body's battery slot.

The Sony camera displays the battery charge status separately for each battery in the grip. So you always know your battery situation.

Cheers

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Aug 7, 2022 19:22:35   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
"... it depends on the camera"

While this is a valid response, please realize it also depends on the actual batteries for full functionality.

If you put 8AA's in a Nikon MB-D10 the Nikon D700 will not show the current depletion status.
Unlike the EN-EL4a Battery in the same camera. This can be an issue.

Hope this helps...

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Aug 8, 2022 07:52:17   #
Jim Bianco
 
jcsnell wrote:
Question concerning a battery grip. When using a battery grip with 2 batteries are you actually using 2 batteries or just one and the other is just your "back up" It seems to me whenever my camera shows low battery both need to be charged. Sorry for being so dense but I do not understand electronics very well. Thank you.

I don't use a grip, Xtra weight and it only takes a few seconds to replace a fresh battery and your good to go.

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Aug 8, 2022 10:22:56   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I believe that it gives you the equivalent of one large batterie. In theory it lives twice as long.

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Aug 8, 2022 10:30:56   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
"...I don't use a grip" You are leaving performance on the table Jim.
The difference between 5 and 8 frames per second is huge, and that's what an MB-D10 brings to the image equation for the Nikon D700.

While the D700 isn't on the leading, bleeding edge of technology, I still enjoy using for commercial outdoor sports assignments where it rides on my SIRUI P-324 and P-424 Monopods. In this scenario it functions superbly and at a fraction of the cost of Nikon's latest over priced kit. Best of all, my kit is "weightless" while atop my Monopods which allows me to shoot back to back league soccer matches for up to 10 hours on the soccer pitch.

Jim in commercial photography beauty is in the eyes of the checkbook holder... Fact not fiction or vendor hype.
At least this has been my experience over decades of commercial assignments, albeit other's experience may vary. Bottom Line? Always strive to meet and or exceed your client's expectations (words to take to the bank).

As for weight I shoot epic vintage primes (and occasional AF "D" 2X & 3X zoom optics).
For commercial outdoor sports VR is totally useless (and adds considerable weight).

Hope this helps Jim and/or brings clarity for others viewing this thread.
Wishing you all the best on your photographic journey Jim.

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Aug 8, 2022 19:21:20   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Assuming I start with 2 fully charged batteries in the grip, both of my Sonys use one completely and then switch to the second one. I know this because the battery status shows on the LCD screen.


I have the same experience with my Sony camera. When one of the two batteries is depleted of power the other kicks in. Same experience with the battery status. It shows both battery levels and how much is remaining with the battery that is being used.

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Aug 8, 2022 21:15:01   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
First one battery then the second one. It does not use them both at the same time but that doesn't matter. On my D850, I have shot well over a 1000 images on the primary battery. I periodically charge the internal batery 2-3 times per year.

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