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Aug 6, 2022 10:54:40   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Orphoto wrote:
Alpha - Good luck with your inquiry. I can help a bit but not as fully as you would like. Many years ago I owned the Nikon AF 24 2.8. At the time I was not very impressed and sold it fairly soon after. I now use several Zeiss primes on my d850. Closest to your inquiry is the 21 2.8ZF.2. I find that this lens and several other Zeiss lenses are substantially better than their Nikon counterparts. The 25 f2 was always held in very high regard and had stellar reviews.

I would steer you towards reviewers like lenstip, dustin abbott & Imaging resource. Lenstip in this case has reviews of both of these lenses which can be compared directly. A really amazing objective MTF test is done by OLAF optical out of Lensrentals. If you are comfortable reading these tests they are tons more informative than the theoretical ones put out by most manufacturers. For a wide angle lens this is a very high quality result. Sadly they do not have a readily available test for the Nikon 24 2.8 for comparison.
Alpha - Good luck with your inquiry. I can help a... (show quote)


Thank you for that information!

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Aug 6, 2022 12:19:24   #
ncribble Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
A few years back I owned 3 Zeiss lens, 21mm, 50mm and 85mm. They were exceptional lens, well built, but heavy, and only manual focus. At some point in my photographic travels I reached the place that the weight, and manual focus were not acceptable. I loved the Zeiss's and their results, but today I don't miss them at all.

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Aug 6, 2022 15:20:23   #
nealbralley Loc: Kansas
 
I haven’t used either lens, but my Nikkor 24mm f/1.8 G provides excellent results when images are viewed on a computer screen or printed on photographic paper. Certainly, you can count lines, but when viewing a printed image, the Nikkor 24mm, f/1.8 G will prove to be more than good enough for most applications. Frankly, I can’t maximize the finer qualities of most lenses top-end lenses and cameras. The premium prices just aren’t worth it for most of us! I try to live in the world of “Good enough!”

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Aug 6, 2022 18:37:51   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
nealbralley wrote:
I haven’t used either lens, but my Nikkor 24mm f/1.8 G provides excellent results when images are viewed on a computer screen or printed on photographic paper. Certainly, you can count lines, but when viewing a printed image, the Nikkor 24mm, f/1.8 G will prove to be more than good enough for most applications. Frankly, I can’t maximize the finer qualities of most lenses top-end lenses and cameras. The premium prices just aren’t worth it for most of us! I try to live in the world of “Good enough!”
I haven’t used either lens, but my Nikkor 24mm f/1... (show quote)


I own the older lens. I don't own the newer lens that you're referring to, but it's on my "think about" list. I don't find the Nikon 24mm f/2.8 to be any more than adequate, nothing spectacular.

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Aug 6, 2022 20:21:00   #
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CHG_CANON wrote:
You're going to judge good or poorly written opinions to guide your decision over images of lines on charts? Really?

Its our UHH Sacred Tradition.

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Aug 6, 2022 20:22:40   #
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JD750 wrote:
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Amen, brother !!!

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Aug 6, 2022 21:21:04   #
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alphadog wrote:
Has or does anyone own a 25mm f2 Zeiss lens and a Nikon 24mm f2.8 lens?

Is the ZEISS lens a LOT better? I have owned Hasselblad and know from experience those lenses are fantastic. I also own Nikon and think the lenses are good, such as a 24mm f/2.8. I am now wondering how MUCH better is the Zeiss lens. I am aware of the DoX charts and measurements, but do NOT believe they always translate correctly when a lens and body are used in the field.

IF you have had experience with the Zeiss and Nikon lens, I would appreciate your findings. thanks
Has or does anyone own a 25mm f2 Zeiss lens and a ... (show quote)

Not your exact lens in question, but in seeking a top tier trio of primes when I took up a 50MP FF I went to ZIV Cosina, of which the Zeiss 25/2.0 is a product. I was not disappointed. Their best lenses are spectacular, given careful focusing and a suitable tripod. I really do shoot brick walls ... Im collecting murals :-)

(TWIMC my trio is 20/40/90.)

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Aug 6, 2022 22:19:37   #
alphadog
 
Let me conclude what I know at this time. After 60+ years of photography, part of this question contained the question is IT worth the extra money to buy a superior lens? Being age 74, I included but did not state since I am getting close to my demise and can afford the more expensive lens, is it worth getting?

I believe IF what you are doing is of any value, then obtaining the finest Glass and best body is worth it.
In this case, I was posing a very good Nikon 24 f/2.8D lens against a Zeiss 25 f/.2 T Distagon. I believe the Zeiss is superior in all aspects without doubt, aside from wt and manual focus from my past experience with Hasselblad v Nikon lenses in general.

Now for others who are MUCH younger or would never consider paying $450 - $800++ for Zeiss v $150 or so for Nikon, one answer was suggested by a poster, Both lenses can provide acceptable images, I don't have any examples of the Zeiss lens since I don't own one yet. Attached are some Nikon 24 f/2/8 images which I believe demonstrate this lens is MORE than capable of producing beautiful sharp images. This past year I have been published in Lenswork and in the latest Contest Winners B&W photo magazine and the images which were accepted were taken with a flawed Nikon 24 f/2.8 lens [ there is a huge deep scratch on the front element] hence my desire to either replace the identical lens or upgrade to the Zeiss.

In conclusion, I think, Thank You all for posting your opinions and sharing your experience. IF I ever wind up obtaining the Zeiss lens, I will post some images. I already ordered another Nikon 24 f/2/.8D replacement for the time being, but immediately felt guilty given my time left on earth, maybe it's time to splurge some and upgrade.

I am certain other readers here have had similar debates, so it is nice to hear how or why they decided to take whatever action resulted. Again, IF I were a working pro, I would always go for the best I can afford, being a serious amateur makes it more difficult to justify additional expenses. Thank you all very much for the responses... kind regards, Richard ... you can see what that flawed lens could do here


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Aug 7, 2022 01:27:24   #
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alphadog wrote:
Let me conclude what I know at this time. After 60+ years of photography, part of this question contained the question is IT worth the extra money to buy a superior lens? Being age 74, I included but did not state since I am getting close to my demise and can afford the more expensive lens, is it worth getting?

I believe IF what you are doing is of any value, then obtaining the finest Glass and best body is worth it.
In this case, I was posing a very good Nikon 24 f/2.8D lens against a Zeiss 25 f/.2 T Distagon. I believe the Zeiss is superior in all aspects without doubt, aside from wt and manual focus from my past experience with Hasselblad v Nikon lenses in general.

Now for others who are MUCH younger or would never consider paying $450 - $800++ for Zeiss v $150 or so for Nikon, one answer was suggested by a poster, Both lenses can provide acceptable images, I don't have any examples of the Zeiss lens since I don't own one yet. Attached are some Nikon 24 f/2/8 images which I believe demonstrate this lens is MORE than capable of producing beautiful sharp images. This past year I have been published in Lenswork and in the latest Contest Winners B&W photo magazine and the images which were accepted were taken with a flawed Nikon 24 f/2.8 lens [ there is a huge deep scratch on the front element] hence my desire to either replace the identical lens or upgrade to the Zeiss.

In conclusion, I think, Thank You all for posting your opinions and sharing your experience. IF I ever wind up obtaining the Zeiss lens, I will post some images. I already ordered another Nikon 24 f/2/.8D replacement for the time being, but immediately felt guilty given my time left on earth, maybe it's time to splurge some and upgrade.

I am certain other readers here have had similar debates, so it is nice to hear how or why they decided to take whatever action resulted. Again, IF I were a working pro, I would always go for the best I can afford, being a serious amateur makes it more difficult to justify additional expenses. Thank you all very much for the responses... kind regards, Richard ... you can see what that flawed lens could do here
Let me conclude what I know at this time. After 60... (show quote)

Heres hoping that the 25/2.0 brings you plenty of joy before your demise .... and BTW, how much $$ are you asking for it "afterwards" ?

Live long(er) and prosper !


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Aug 7, 2022 08:45:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
alphadog wrote:
After 60+ years of photography, part of this question contained the question is IT worth the extra money to buy a superior lens?


Good point. Would I see a difference in my pictures between a $1,000 lens and a $1,400 lens? Probably not. I might get a warm, fuzzy feeling know that I was shooting with the best available lens, but I'm sure I wouldn't see a difference in the results.

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Aug 7, 2022 11:05:12   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Good point. Would I see a difference in my pictures between a $1,000 lens and a $1,400 lens? Probably not. I might get a warm, fuzzy feeling know that I was shooting with the best available lens, but I'm sure I wouldn't see a difference in the results.



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Aug 7, 2022 14:43:54   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Good point. Would I see a difference in my pictures between a $1,000 lens and a $1,400 lens? Probably not. I might get a warm, fuzzy feeling know that I was shooting with the best available lens, but I'm sure I wouldn't see a difference in the results.


Well that means you have room to improve, until you do see the difference. Right? ;)

I guess it's like fine wine. Can I tell the difference between $30 bottle and $400 / bottle wine? Not when I was younger.

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Aug 7, 2022 17:14:31   #
alphadog
 
Just to put things into perspective, THIS is the Nikon 24mm f2.8, I have been using and have already posted several images previously, will attach one more.

The lens produces sharp images despite this huge scratch on the front element is deep with an edge, I have been fortunate to be able to reproduce award-winning images... so my posed question regarding a good v a higher quality lens demonstrates I think, that a good lens even scratched is able to reproduce a decent image...so there is NO need to mortgage your house and buy the MOST expensive lens available UNLESS you want to ...

There is certainly a "psychological" component that comes to play when one has the best or most expensive equipment; for me, NOW there is NO excuse for not producing a fine image since I can NO longer blame the quality of the gear.


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Aug 8, 2022 06:42:10   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
alphadog wrote:
Just to put things into perspective, THIS is the Nikon 24mm f2.8, I have been using and have already posted several images previously, will attach one more.

The lens produces sharp images despite this huge scratch on the front element is deep with an edge, I have been fortunate to be able to reproduce award-winning images... so my posed question regarding a good v a higher quality lens demonstrates I think, that a good lens even scratched is able to reproduce a decent image...so there is NO need to mortgage your house and buy the MOST expensive lens available UNLESS you want to ...

There is certainly a "psychological" component that comes to play when one has the best or most expensive equipment; for me, NOW there is NO excuse for not producing a fine image since I can NO longer blame the quality of the gear.
Just to put things into perspective, THIS is the N... (show quote)


Surprisingly, scratches on a lens don't have much, if any, effect on images.

http://kurtmunger.com/dirty_lens_articleid35.html
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2008/10/front-element-scratches
Inside- http://photographylife.com/what-to-do-with-dust-inside-lens

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Aug 8, 2022 10:14:47   #
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jerryc41 wrote:
Good point. Would I see a difference in my pictures between a $1,000 lens and a $1,400 lens? Probably not. I might get a warm, fuzzy feeling know that I was shooting with the best available lens, but I'm sure I wouldn't see a difference in the results.

Really, Jerry ? $1000 and 1400 are in the same ballpark, even the same infield. It would be a toss up as to which scored better in very critical testing, regardless of who made which lens. You present a 40% difference, typically just enough to cover name prestige marketing or other "non imaging" differences.

If a $900 lens and $3500 lens seem fairly equal, then you have something to really scratch your head about, and sometimes that scenario comes up.

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