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Aug 4, 2022 14:18:02   #
jcboy3
 
JohnFrim wrote:
And remember that Madison, the "Father" of The Constitution, was in his mid-to-late-30s when all of that went down. Just a kid, really!(OK, not in those days. I am sure he was much more mature than Matt Gaetz who is 40.)


My neighbors cat is more mature then Matt "the Thumb" Gaetz.

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Aug 4, 2022 16:21:14   #
cwp3420
 
Fotoartist wrote:
It is truly heartening to see some more enlightening thoughts from the brilliant Thomas Sowell.



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Aug 4, 2022 18:46:27   #
LinksUp
 
Frank T wrote:
The Constitution is in serious need of a rewrite.
Why on earth, in 2022 should we be worried about what a bunch of men in the 18th century, thought was appropriate?
Remember, these were the guys who thought women shouldn't v**e, only White Male landowners had the right to v**e and that owning another human being was just fine.
I really envy countries like Canada, and Great Britain. and a hundred others that govern for the 21st Century and the results are obvious. They have things like free medical care, free college, high-speed rail, better roads and six weeks paid vacation, while we work all our lives just to stay afloat.
I for one would welcome a re-write, if it weren't for the lunatics in the Republican Party who long to bring us back to the 1789
The Constitution is in serious need of a rewrite. ... (show quote)


Please let us know how you like it in Canada after you move there and are granted citizenship.

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Aug 4, 2022 18:54:49   #
jcboy3
 
LinksUp wrote:
Please let us know how you like it in Canada after you move there and are granted citizenship.


Typical RightWad reply. You just don't get the concept of a free country, which is this: if you don't like something, you are free to try to change it. Just don't expect any respect if you're a r****t sexist f*****t (like most Repukes).

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Aug 4, 2022 23:24:40   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Frank T wrote:
The Constitution is in serious need of a rewrite.
Why on earth, in 2022 should we be worried about what a bunch of men in the 18th century, thought was appropriate?
Remember, these were the guys who thought women shouldn't v**e, only White Male landowners had the right to v**e and that owning another human being was just fine.
I really envy countries like Canada, and Great Britain. and a hundred others that govern for the 21st Century and the results are obvious. They have things like free medical care, free college, high-speed rail, better roads and six weeks paid vacation, while we work all our lives just to stay afloat.
I for one would welcome a re-write, if it weren't for the lunatics in the Republican Party who long to bring us back to the 1789
The Constitution is in serious need of a rewrite. ... (show quote)



Unless, of course, you realize the utter futility of getting radical anti-American beliefs codified by a majority of citizens. I would bet there are some amendments to the present Constitution that you might dearly love to get changed to suit your personal views.
Here is a thing: the process DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY !

No need for a “rewrite”, just agitate and go through the legal amendment process, then get the proper number of states to ratify the amendment, and PRESTO-CHANGEO the Constitution may be changed!

And please remember, when a different viewpoint was recognized by majorities, the Constitution WAS changed!


Women got the v**e, s***es were freed, all naturalized and American-borns were allowed to v**e, &c..
All through a Constitutionally approved process that you denigrate so glibly.
~~~~~~~~~~

I would bet you would really like to see certain amendments “revisited” in light of current socialist-leaning views. That is fine, but there are tradesies involved here: want to do away with the Second Amendment? Ok.
Only if we do away with the First Amendment!
How about we do away with some of the others, too, and just (for example) quarter a platoon of Army Rangers in YOUR HOUSE? Oh yes, there a LOTS of potential “rewrites” that some persons would like to see. There are a LOT of changes that could be made!

“But wait, only the things I want changed should be rewritten” I hear you say?

Riiight, and what give YOU the right to decide?
It is not one of the Constitutionally-enumerated rights that you evidently detest as written by those “hoary old white s***e-owners” in the late 1700’s. Those “old boys” certainly were more educated concerning the laws and social responsibilities of their time than you appear to be of the present.
~~~~~~~~~~~

If you really envy the other countries, as cited, look to England, whose Common Law dates back to the 1200’s. But you forgot (conveniently) that England DOES NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTION ! (Whoops! Caught-you on that one!).

Or Canada, whose Constitution dates back to, what? 1982? And previously was little more than a vassal-state supplying lumber, grain, and troops to England’s Empire. Ruled without a Constitution!

If you really appreciate the styles of government in all those other countries, why don’t you just go to one of them and live?

Leave the rest of us alone!


Or maybe you think we do not need a Constitution AT ALL?
In which case you are just another flippin’ anarchist.

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Aug 4, 2022 23:44:13   #
jcboy3
 


This example shows that the law needs to be changed to clarify the process for handling recounts and dealing with alternative results, including specifying what constitutes criminal activity.

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Aug 5, 2022 00:08:56   #
btbg
 
jcboy3 wrote:
This example shows that the law needs to be changed to clarify the process for handling recounts and dealing with alternative results, including specifying what constitutes criminal activity.


No, it shows that Kennedy did exactly what dems claim that Trump did. Once again dems do it and then go ballistic when a republican even considers what they already did. And, you talk about a crooked e******n. History is pretty clear that Nixon defeated Kennedy, but was c***ted by illegal v****g in Illinois in particular.

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Aug 5, 2022 08:57:40   #
jcboy3
 
btbg wrote:
No, it shows that Kennedy did exactly what dems claim that Trump did. Once again dems do it and then go ballistic when a republican even considers what they already did. And, you talk about a crooked e******n. History is pretty clear that Nixon defeated Kennedy, but was c***ted by illegal v****g in Illinois in particular.


History is clear that Kennedy beat Nixon. Analysis of v****g in Illinois was extensive, and showed that Kennedy had won. A recount in Cook County (Chicago, Mayor Daly) was undertaken. "Completed Dec. 9, the recount of 863 precincts showed that the original tally had undercounted Nixon’s (and Adamowski’s) v**es, but only by 943, far from the 4,500 needed to alter the results. In fact, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, Nixon’s v**e was overcounted." -- https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2000/10/was-nixon-robbed.html

The e******n was close; the GOP made unfounded accusations of fraud and their cases were thrown out. That e******n was much closer than Biden Trump, and the GOP still couldn't make any of their made up charges stick.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-drama-behind-president-kennedys-1960-e******n-win/

It shows that the GOP are a bunch of snowflake sore losers, and they are demonstrating that in spades today.

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Aug 5, 2022 11:45:05   #
btbg
 
jcboy3 wrote:
History is clear that Kennedy beat Nixon. Analysis of v****g in Illinois was extensive, and showed that Kennedy had won. A recount in Cook County (Chicago, Mayor Daly) was undertaken. "Completed Dec. 9, the recount of 863 precincts showed that the original tally had undercounted Nixon’s (and Adamowski’s) v**es, but only by 943, far from the 4,500 needed to alter the results. In fact, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, Nixon’s v**e was overcounted." -- https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2000/10/was-nixon-robbed.html

The e******n was close; the GOP made unfounded accusations of fraud and their cases were thrown out. That e******n was much closer than Biden Trump, and the GOP still couldn't make any of their made up charges stick.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-drama-behind-president-kennedys-1960-e******n-win/

It shows that the GOP are a bunch of snowflake sore losers, and they are demonstrating that in spades today.
History is clear that Kennedy beat Nixon. Analysi... (show quote)


I showed you proof of fraud in Hawaii. As to fraud in Chicago this is what they actually found. Of course this was done years after the e******n and they did not have all the information that was originally available. You will note that the review concluded that there was evidence of fraud, just that there was no convincing evidence that the fraud altered the final outcome.

"The 1960 p**********l e******n was the closest of the twentieth century when measured by the popular v**e. John F Kennedy managed narrow margins in a number of critical states to carry him to victory over Richard M. Nixon. Because of the close call in Illinois (Kennedy won by an official count of 8,858 v**es), the unsavory reputation of the Chicago Democratic organization, and certain newspaper reports, Republicans and Nixon became convinced that they had been c***ted out of enough v**es to have swung the state into the Republican column. This article analyzes these Republican allegations, which have been widely accepted, on the basis of two partial recounts of paper b****t precincts which were conducted in Cook County (Chicago) in the aftermath of the 1960 e******ns. This analysis shows that there was a pattern of miscounting v**es which worked to the advantage of all Democratic candidates involved in the recount. The analysis also shows, however, that of the Republican candidates deprived of v**es, Richard M. Nixon suffered the least. By comparing the two recounts and by making estimates based upon them it is possible to approximate a minimum number of v**es Nixon lost as the result of e******n irregularities in Chicago. This figure of slightly less than 8,000 v**es is not sufficient to make a convincing case that Nixon was c***ted out of Illinois'
e*******l v**es."

Keep in mind that the 2020 e******n was also very close. Just 40,000 v**es in the right states would have switched the outcome. The only major difference between 1960 and 2020 is that Nixon decided not to contest the outcome while Trump decided to fight it. Regardless of whether or not people believe it 2,000 Mules does show that there was v***r f***d in 2020 as well. Just like 1960 the issue is whether or not the fraud altered the final outcome or not. It's more than 60 years after the Kennedy e******n and there are still experts who believe that he won fraudulently.

As more individuals in Arizona continue to be indicted for v***r f***d there, history will come down with a split decision about whether Biden won by fraud or not as well.

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Aug 5, 2022 12:33:05   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Fotoartist wrote:
It is truly heartening to see some more enlightening thoughts from the brilliant Thomas Sowell.


Agreed.

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Aug 5, 2022 12:36:00   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Typical RightWad reply. You just don't get the concept of a free country, which is this: if you don't like something, you are free to try to change it. Just don't expect any respect if you're a r****t sexist f*****t (like most Repukes).


Dude, you have one sick attitude. The majority of republicans are good hearted loving people. Maybe if you quit insulting them on a daily basis, they would look at people like you in a different way.

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Aug 5, 2022 12:37:40   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
JohnFrim wrote:
And remember that Madison, the "Father" of The Constitution, was in his mid-to-late-30s when all of that went down. Just a kid, really!(OK, not in those days. I am sure he was much more mature than Matt Gaetz who is 40.)


You can do better than that. Everyone is more mature than Gaetz. Well except for a few in the attic.

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Aug 5, 2022 12:38:59   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
JohnFrim wrote:
No need for the personal insult, really. But that's OK, I like to think of myself as younger than my years.


And much more aware than the author of the post you were replying to.

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Aug 5, 2022 12:44:12   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Wyantry wrote:
Unless, of course, you realize the utter futility of getting radical anti-American beliefs codified by a majority of citizens. I would bet there are some amendments to the present Constitution that you might dearly love to get changed to suit your personal views.
Here is a thing: the process DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY !

No need for a “rewrite”, just agitate and go through the legal amendment process, then get the proper number of states to ratify the amendment, and PRESTO-CHANGEO the Constitution may be changed!

And please remember, when a different viewpoint was recognized by majorities, the Constitution WAS changed!


Women got the v**e, s***es were freed, all naturalized and American-borns were allowed to v**e, &c..
All through a Constitutionally approved process that you denigrate so glibly.
~~~~~~~~~~

I would bet you would really like to see certain amendments “revisited” in light of current socialist-leaning views. That is fine, but there are tradesies involved here: want to do away with the Second Amendment? Ok.
Only if we do away with the First Amendment!
How about we do away with some of the others, too, and just (for example) quarter a platoon of Army Rangers in YOUR HOUSE? Oh yes, there a LOTS of potential “rewrites” that some persons would like to see. There are a LOT of changes that could be made!

“But wait, only the things I want changed should be rewritten” I hear you say?

Riiight, and what give YOU the right to decide?
It is not one of the Constitutionally-enumerated rights that you evidently detest as written by those “hoary old white s***e-owners” in the late 1700’s. Those “old boys” certainly were more educated concerning the laws and social responsibilities of their time than you appear to be of the present.
~~~~~~~~~~~

If you really envy the other countries, as cited, look to England, whose Common Law dates back to the 1200’s. But you forgot (conveniently) that England DOES NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTION ! (Whoops! Caught-you on that one!).

Or Canada, whose Constitution dates back to, what? 1982? And previously was little more than a vassal-state supplying lumber, grain, and troops to England’s Empire. Ruled without a Constitution!

If you really appreciate the styles of government in all those other countries, why don’t you just go to one of them and live?

Leave the rest of us alone!


Or maybe you think we do not need a Constitution AT ALL?
In which case you are just another flippin’ anarchist.
b Unless, of course, you realize the utter futili... (show quote)


So, you love the second amendment, but you would be willing to dump it in exchange for, getting to dump the first amendment? Pardon me if next time you claim to be for freedom I puke.

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Aug 5, 2022 12:47:43   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Wyantry wrote:
Unless, of course, you realize the utter futility of getting radical anti-American beliefs codified by a majority of citizens. I would bet there are some amendments to the present Constitution that you might dearly love to get changed to suit your personal views.
Here is a thing: the process DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY !

No need for a “rewrite”, just agitate and go through the legal amendment process, then get the proper number of states to ratify the amendment, and PRESTO-CHANGEO the Constitution may be changed!

And please remember, when a different viewpoint was recognized by majorities, the Constitution WAS changed!


Women got the v**e, s***es were freed, all naturalized and American-borns were allowed to v**e, &c..
All through a Constitutionally approved process that you denigrate so glibly.
~~~~~~~~~~

I would bet you would really like to see certain amendments “revisited” in light of current socialist-leaning views. That is fine, but there are tradesies involved here: want to do away with the Second Amendment? Ok.
Only if we do away with the First Amendment!
How about we do away with some of the others, too, and just (for example) quarter a platoon of Army Rangers in YOUR HOUSE? Oh yes, there a LOTS of potential “rewrites” that some persons would like to see. There are a LOT of changes that could be made!

“But wait, only the things I want changed should be rewritten” I hear you say?

Riiight, and what give YOU the right to decide?
It is not one of the Constitutionally-enumerated rights that you evidently detest as written by those “hoary old white s***e-owners” in the late 1700’s. Those “old boys” certainly were more educated concerning the laws and social responsibilities of their time than you appear to be of the present.
~~~~~~~~~~~

If you really envy the other countries, as cited, look to England, whose Common Law dates back to the 1200’s. But you forgot (conveniently) that England DOES NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTION ! (Whoops! Caught-you on that one!).

Or Canada, whose Constitution dates back to, what? 1982? And previously was little more than a vassal-state supplying lumber, grain, and troops to England’s Empire. Ruled without a Constitution!

If you really appreciate the styles of government in all those other countries, why don’t you just go to one of them and live?

Leave the rest of us alone!


Or maybe you think we do not need a Constitution AT ALL?
In which case you are just another flippin’ anarchist.
b Unless, of course, you realize the utter futili... (show quote)


You are claiming that the English live under anarchy? I'm guessing they would find that funny. Very false and very funny.

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