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Jul 15, 2022 12:59:35   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
The 35mm film camera had a long reign as the king of photography cameras. It was replaced as king by the DSLR, which had a relatively short reign. Now the mirrorless camera is king. What will come along next to depose the mirrorless camera as king?

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Jul 15, 2022 13:01:05   #
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Mac wrote:
The 35mm film camera had a long reign as the king of photography cameras. It was replaced as king by the DSLR, which had a relatively short reign. Now the mirrorless camera is king. What will come along next to depose the mirrorless camera as king?

What youve written cannot be addressed. You define the new king only by an absence of a component (a mirror). Nothing except a return to mirrors can be seen as deposing the undefined new king.

If I get an implant that allows my brain to send my vision to a PC or a printer, that involves no mirror. Yet, its a quantum leap from a Sony, Fuji, EOS-R, etc etc. But by your terms the implant not a new king cuz its same as the old king ... its "mirrorless".

The new king is the EVF. That brain implant needs no EVF so it would depose the EVF and the implant becomes the next new king.

"Mirrorless" describes what ? a camera ? a garden tool ? a parakeet ?
all if the above and much of everything else ? (My car is NOT mirrorless, it has three.)

The current new king is the EVF and the king demands to be properly addressed.

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Jul 15, 2022 13:03:34   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
User ID wrote:
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That is what I am asking, what will come along next?

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Jul 15, 2022 13:11:23   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Mac wrote:
The 35mm film camera had a long reign as the king of photography cameras. It was replaced as king by the DSLR, which had a relatively short reign. Now the mirrorless camera is king. What will come along next to depose the mirrorless camera as king?


Not so fast. I am STILL using 35mm, 120 and DSLR's as well as just one mirrorless camera. I get great enjoyment from using every one of them and more. If mirrorless has taken over your life then congratulations. But many of us are still quite happy using those that have made us happy for decades now.

Dennis

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Jul 15, 2022 13:14:28   #
gwilliams6
 
Global shutters in consumer still cameras (they already exist in many industrial cameras and in some video cameras, but not in fullframe still cameras) . Instant fullframe writing and readouts, with the end of any rolling shutter.

But Global shutter cameras will still be digital and mirrorless, but that is the next iteration about to be sprung on us, very soon as all the top makers are hard at work to be the first out.
https://ymcinema.com/2021/03/09/sony-announces-128mp-large-format-global-shutter-sensor/

https://ymcinema.com/2021/03/06/rumor-canon-eos-r1-will-be-armed-with-85mp-global-shutter-cmos-sensor/

And also curved sensors and curved sensor lenses. Sony already has several patents for curved sensors and curved sensor lenses. Curved sensors will have equal edge to edge sharpness, and allow the curved sensor lenses to be amazingly small and compact with bright fast apertures, even for telephoto lenses .

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/more-patents-disclosing-a-sony-medium-format-camera-concept-with-curved-sensor/

https://www.cined.com/curved-camera-sensor-new-sony-patent-shows-where-tech-could-go-if-business-will-let-it/


Cheers

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Jul 15, 2022 13:17:35   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Does anyone really care?

To try to predict the future is just like trying to fit the ocean in a bottle using a small spoon.

Basically a futile exercise.

For info, we had a glimpse of what has already been done with a start-up that went down the drain. Adaptive focus after the fact. Also, you have phone cameras that had multiple camera to achieve the same thing. Since both were expensive, none made it to a critical mass. A decade ago we had 3D laser projection of static people and objects, mostly in museums and venues of this type. I became aware a few days ago that a show used a 3D projection of a moving 'dead artist' and folks who saw it felt like it was the real thing.

The reality is, these things exist, just way too expensive.

Nothing about the future.

A crystal ball will not help you but then again, starting a fire with it might be in your future if you leave it in the sun!!!

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Jul 15, 2022 13:20:22   #
gwilliams6
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Does anyone really care?

To try to predict the future is just like trying to fit the ocean in a bottle using a small spoon.

Basically a futile exercise.

For info, we had a glimpse of what has already been done with a start-up that went down the drain. Adaptive focus after the fact. Also, you have phone cameras that had multiple camera to achieve the same thing. Since both were expensive, none made it to a critical mass. A decade ago we had 3D laser projection of static people and objects, mostly in museums and venues of this type. I became aware a few days ago that a show used a 3D projection of a moving 'dead artist' and folks who saw it felt like it was the real thing.

The reality is, these things exist, just way too expensive.

Nothing about the future.

A crystal ball will not help you but then again, starting a fire with it might be in your future if you leave it in the sun!!!
Does anyone really care? br br To try to predict ... (show quote)


See my post above yours, cheers

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Jul 15, 2022 13:23:19   #
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dennis2146 wrote:
Not so fast. I am STILL using 35mm, 120 and DSLR's as well as just one mirrorless camera. I get great enjoyment from using every one of them and more. If mirrorless has taken over your life then congratulations. But many of us are still quite happy using those that have made us happy for decades now.

Dennis


Happiness is Necrophilia ? Rock on.

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Jul 15, 2022 13:26:08   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
User ID wrote:
What youve written cannot be addressed. You define the new king only by an absence of a component (a mirror). Nothing except a return to mirrors can be seen as deposing the undefined new king.

If I get an implant that allows my brain to send my vision to a PC or a printer, that involves no mirror. Yet, its a quantum leap from a Sony, Fuji, EOS-R, etc etc. But by your terms its not a nee king cuz its same as the old king ... its "mirrorless".

The new king is the EVF. That brain implant needs no EVF so it would depose the EVF and the implant is the new king. "Mirrorless" describes what ? a camera ? a garden tool ? a parakeet ?
all if the above and much of everything else ? (My car is NOT mirrorless, it has three.)

The current new king is the EVF and the king demands to be properly addressed.
What youve written cannot be addressed. You define... (show quote)


O King, How do I crop the picture or otherwise post process it? That's right: Send it to a computer, Apple or PC. And what would be the depth of field? Where would it be attached in the brain? Don't mess with MY brain! It's messed up too much already.

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Jul 15, 2022 13:27:12   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Not so fast. I am STILL using 35mm, 120 and DSLR's as well as just one mirrorless camera. I get great enjoyment from using every one of them and more. If mirrorless has taken over your life then congratulations. But many of us are still quite happy using those that have made us happy for decades now.

Dennis


Still using 7D and 10D.
No mirrorless yet, but will get one eventually.

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Jul 15, 2022 13:29:37   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Still using 7D and 10D.
No mirrorless yet, but will get one eventually.


I have a Sony RX10IV and like it but it is not a do ALL type of camera.

Dennis

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Jul 15, 2022 13:32:53   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Not so fast. I am STILL using 35mm, 120 and DSLR's as well as just one mirrorless camera. I get great enjoyment from using every one of them and more. If mirrorless has taken over your life then congratulations. But many of us are still quite happy using those that have made us happy for decades now.

Dennis


That really has no bearing on the subject. There are those that still shoot film and enjoy it. It doesn’t change the fact that digital has largely replaced it. Any new favorite film camera you buy would be either P&S or a Leica for about $6000. And now, while many still shoot DLSR’s and you can still buy them new, the top manufacturers aren’t developing any new models. So yes, you can enjoy what you’re shooting but mirrorless are currently king.

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Jul 15, 2022 13:35:59   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
What youve written cannot be addressed. You define the new king only by an absence of a component (a mirror). Nothing except a return to mirrors can be seen as deposing the undefined new king.

If I get an implant that allows my brain to send my vision to a PC or a printer, that involves no mirror. Yet, its a quantum leap from a Sony, Fuji, EOS-R, etc etc. But by your terms the implant not a new king cuz its same as the old king ... its "mirrorless".

The new king is the EVF. That brain implant needs no EVF so it would depose the EVF and the implant becomes the next new king.

"Mirrorless" describes what ? a camera ? a garden tool ? a parakeet ?
all if the above and much of everything else ? (My car is NOT mirrorless, it has three.)

The current new king is the EVF and the king demands to be properly addressed.
What youve written cannot be addressed. You define... (show quote)


How about viewfinderless? Somehow the camera interface with your brain and you can see the image without any viewfinder,

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Jul 15, 2022 13:38:09   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Dare I say the smart phone?

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Jul 15, 2022 13:43:47   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Global shutters in consumer still cameras (they already exist in many industrial cameras and in some video cameras, but not in fullframe still cameras) . Instant fullframe writing and readouts, with the end of any rolling shutter.

But Global shutter cameras will still be digital and mirrorless, but that is the next iteration about to be sprung on us, very soon as all the top makers are hard at work to be the first out.
https://ymcinema.com/2021/03/09/sony-announces-128mp-large-format-global-shutter-sensor/

https://ymcinema.com/2021/03/06/rumor-canon-eos-r1-will-be-armed-with-85mp-global-shutter-cmos-sensor/

And also curved sensors and curved sensor lenses. Sony already has several patents for curved sensors and curved sensor lenses. Curved sensors will have equal edge to edge sharpness, and allow the curved sensor lenses to be amazingly small and compact with bright fast apertures, even for telephoto lenses .

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/more-patents-disclosing-a-sony-medium-format-camera-concept-with-curved-sensor/

https://www.cined.com/curved-camera-sensor-new-sony-patent-shows-where-tech-could-go-if-business-will-let-it/


Cheers
Global shutters in consumer still cameras (they al... (show quote)


The biggest obstacle to selling curved sensors will be a requirement for all new lenses. Current mirrorless are a viable option for many because they can still use older lenses. And it’s not just the money issue. With the switch to mirrorless only a few lenses for a new mount were initially available but the gap could be filled by existing DSLR lenses. It’s doubtful that a full array of lenses will be available for a curved sensor camera on its release and there will be no lenses to fill that gap. Maybe someday we’ll see curved sensors in a general use camera but currently it’s for specialty cameras for industrial use.

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