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Jun 30, 2022 11:32:46   #
moosus
 
Thanks to all who have volunteered responses. Some information I knew but a lot was new to me. I see many explanations for my questioning why the sharpness of "GORDON" was less than I expected. I was wondering about my technique as well—lots to consider. I especially like the responses that say if you are not happy with it, don't buy it. A realistic approach. Many thanks.

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Jun 30, 2022 11:37:48   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
moosus wrote:
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this question. I imagine Admin. place it where it needs to go. I'm going to try to store the original so you can see the settings. I'm thinking about buying this Nikkor 300mm 1:4E PF ED VR lens. I'm in the middle of the two-week trial period. To get to the point, I'm not impressed with the sharpness of this lens: Shouldn't "GORDON" be sharper even though I focused on the statue? I haven't been impressed with any of the images I've gotten with this lens. Am I expecting too much? I took it back to the camera store before I took this pic, where they adjusted it some. I ended up substituting a CPL filter I bought with the lens with a B&W UV-Haze filter which seemed to help a little. The camera's got about 30K clicks or so. This pic was hand-held. For two grand, I ain't impressed. Am I expecting too much or am I being overly critical? Your opinions, please.
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this q... (show quote)


Lens "VR" for most full frame or APS-C is usually about 3 stops. It will still require a fairly fast shutter speed for handholding. Or still mounting on a tripod. If it is just for a simple one time shoot or specific trip for landscape, you could try 4/3rds with its 5.5 or more stops IS and the ability to shoot at 50mp / 80mp RAW for landscapes. I would not suggest getting 4/3rds since your system is Nikon unless you plan to shoot a lot of landscapes.

You are probably expecting too much or being overly critical.

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Jun 30, 2022 11:38:55   #
moosus
 
Thank you for your input.

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Jun 30, 2022 11:57:39   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you want the letters of Gordon to be the sharpest when shooting wide-open with an f/4 lens, place the AF point on those letters.

It looks like you've customized the standard picture profile. You also have the AF fine-tune active, although it says '0'. Consider removing all these in-camera customizations / overrides and see how the lens behaves.

The result isn't great where the AF point was positioned. But, I wouldn't make a buy decision on just one image given the camera settings. Take off the filter as others have said and then undo the custom settings I found.
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Those letters at their sharpest point seem sharper than the statue. It looks to me like it’s front-focusing and needs calibration.

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Jun 30, 2022 12:23:09   #
moosus
 
That's what I was wondering, if perhaps the camera was having issues with the lens. A hogger yesterday suggested fine-tuning with "live view", without filters, no VR, and on a tripod, which I did. That seems to have helped sharpen the image output. It's been suggested loose the filters, at least while fine-tuning the lens. I figure it's on me, Nikkor lenses are pretty reliable. Thanks for ur input.

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Jun 30, 2022 14:21:06   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
moosus wrote:
Thank you for your input.



1) If you clicked "Quote Reply" under the post you are replying to as I did here, we would know what it was.
2) Let me add my voice to those that already said "Stop it down, try f/8". Wide open gives little depth of field.

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Jun 30, 2022 14:55:34   #
moosus
 
PHRubin wrote:
1) If you clicked "Quote Reply" under the post you are replying to as I did here, we would know what it was.
2) Let me add my voice to those that already said "Stop it down, try f/8". Wide open gives little depth of field.


10-4. I've already set the F/stop to 7.1 and/or 8 and am out testing the lens with a few other suggestions from the Hog crowd. Thanks to all.

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Jun 30, 2022 15:14:51   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
FWIW, I own this lens and find my copy very sharp, very light and very useful. YMMV. Best of luck.

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Jun 30, 2022 15:21:45   #
moosus
 
camerapapi wrote:
I hope it is clear to you that you need this lens. This is a very technologically advanced lens that could be very useful for subjects like action and wildlife photography although it could be kind of short for wildlife in general.
I am sure it is a sharp lens. You said the store where you bought it made "some adjustments" to it. As far as I am concerned Nikon optics do not need any adjustments with their brand new lenses. In the case an adjustment is needed I will always go to Nikon for that.

I bet you know that you lose two stops of light when using a polarizer but none when using a UV filter. I do not use UV filters, never did but I use old Hoya and Tiffen polarizers I keep from when I was using film. If you used a polarizer for this shot I wonder why you used it, I would never had used one.
The image looks reasonably sharp to me but do not trust my old eyes in early morning especially on someone who have had bilateral cataract surgery. I do better at mid morning. You better, as suggested, try the lens on a tripod and do not forget to set VR off. Make sure that the focus is sharp and accurate on your subject and consider that small lens openings will be sharper than larger ones. Sharpness depends a lot on the operator.

Since you are trying the lens do not buy it if you cannot justify a good use for it. Do not buy it if you are not satisfied with your results because if your photo techniques with a tele are not good enough your results will continue to be a disappointment and finally, never buy a lens because it is sharp.
Always buy a lens that you can justify as useful for your photographic needs.
I hope it is clear to you that you need this lens.... (show quote)

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I've always used a CPL for what I perceive as color enhancement but just as importantly, for me, protection for the front element. I have recently focused the lens on a tripod using the "live view" method I saw on YT, with all the protocols in place (no VR), etc. and the images seem somewhat sharper. And your buy a lens useful for (my) needs makes good sense. I'm going to try and limit my F/stop to around 8 as suggested and pay closer attention to shutter speed other things related to personal technique. Thanks for your POV.

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Jun 30, 2022 15:28:42   #
moosus
 
cjc2 wrote:
FWIW, I own this lens and find my copy very sharp, very light and very useful. YMMV. Best of luck.


Thanks for the input. I just couldn't believe the soft focus, on most of the images, I got from that new lens. I'm thinking more and more that it's either me or my D7200 that might be having some issues. I'll see. Thanks.

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Jun 30, 2022 15:40:38   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
moosus wrote:
Thanks for the input. I just couldn't believe the soft focus, on most of the images, I got from that new lens. I'm thinking more and more that it's either me or my D7200 that might be having some issues. I'll see. Thanks.


Others have made suggestions. I would not expect the issue to be with the lens or body, but it's not impossible. Check your focus, shutter speed, aperture and ISO. The 300/4 PF is a superior lens, but it must be used properly. Practice, practice, practice. Adequate light is important to focus speed and accuracy. Best of luck.

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Jun 30, 2022 16:01:33   #
moosus
 
cjc2 wrote:
Others have made suggestions. I would not expect the issue to be with the lens or body, but it's not impossible. Check your focus, shutter speed, aperture and ISO. The 300/4 PF is a superior lens, but it must be used properly. Practice, practice, practice. Adequate light is important to focus speed and accuracy. Best of luck.


Yeah, I'm re-reading parts of my Dave Bosch's D7200 manual and re-searching on YT. It's probably me. I just couldn't believe the "soft-focus" images I was seeing on my computer were made by a brand new, off-the-shelf, Nikkor lens. I am mentally paying more attention to how I physically execute the shot. Thanks.

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Jul 1, 2022 08:26:50   #
colt4x5 Loc: Central Connecticut
 
Used to own this lens. Loved it. Did not have issues with focus/sharpness.
Everyone who has mentioned depth of field is right on the money here: On a 300mm lens, the depth of field at f4 is tiny. Yes, get a dof calculator on that phone and use it. With time, it will become instinctual.

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Jul 1, 2022 13:56:18   #
agillot
 
I dont think there is anything wrong with the lens .You are dealing with a difficult subject , with weird light conditions , sideways angle , light reflection at the bottom where the writing is , [ a polariser would have taken care of that ] .You cant expect miracle here .

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Jul 1, 2022 22:18:39   #
moosus
 
colt4x5 wrote:
Used to own this lens. Loved it. Did not have issues with focus/sharpness.
Everyone who has mentioned depth of field is right on the money here: On a 300mm lens, the depth of field at f4 is tiny. Yes, get a dof calculator on that phone and use it. With time, it will become instinctual.


Yeah, that DOF calculator app has come up a lot. That'll probably be my next purchase.

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