Sewer Water Can Be Good
Jun 26, 2022 08:12:50 #
Most people would avoid dealing with the water in sewers, but researchers love it. Around the world, scientists are studying what is in the water in sewers. In the case of Covid, they can tell when there will be an increase in cases. First, the virus appears in the sewers. Then, people start going to their doctors.
In London recently, they found the polio virus in the sewers. Some countries are still using the live, oral Sabin vaccine. Those people come to London, excrete the virus into the sewer, and there it is. The Salk vaccine is a dead virus, and there is no possibility of getting polio from that. Sabin, on the other hand, poses a risk.
It's a shame that polio wasn't eradicated, like smallpox. The wife of a friend got polio shortly before Dr. Salk presented his vaccine. She's spent her life with braces and crutches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLxTyQOYRA
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=studying+sewer+water
In London recently, they found the polio virus in the sewers. Some countries are still using the live, oral Sabin vaccine. Those people come to London, excrete the virus into the sewer, and there it is. The Salk vaccine is a dead virus, and there is no possibility of getting polio from that. Sabin, on the other hand, poses a risk.
It's a shame that polio wasn't eradicated, like smallpox. The wife of a friend got polio shortly before Dr. Salk presented his vaccine. She's spent her life with braces and crutches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLxTyQOYRA
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=studying+sewer+water
Jun 26, 2022 08:21:47 #
I've read that the medical researchers leave samples of a virus alive on the assumption that extinguishing it would deprive later scientists of its potential for information valuable to human life.
jerryc41 wrote:
Most people would avoid dealing with the water in ... (show quote)
Jun 26, 2022 08:24:17 #
anotherview wrote:
I've read that the medical researchers leave samples of a virus alive on the assumption that extinguishing it would deprive later scientists of its potential for information valuable to human life.
Yes, and that is a controversial topic. I'm sure there are samples of smallpox around the world, and I'm sure that someone is working on a way to weaponize it. Human beings are ridiculous. If aliens were watching us as a TV comedy, they would think the show was too unbelievable to continue watching. I just hope humans never settle anywhere else in the universe.
Jun 26, 2022 08:32:15 #
anotherview wrote:
I've read that the medical researchers leave samples of a virus alive on the assumption that extinguishing it would deprive later scientists of its potential for information valuable to human life.
If it is "eradicated" and no longer exists, why keep it?
If it doesn't exist and will never be a threat again, why study it?
Keeping it only provides a possibility of resurgence, if it gets loose.
Maybe it hasn't really been "eradicated", but simply extremely rare now,
and it still exists.
Eradicated, in what manner of definition....
Who knows what else lives in the sewer systems.
Jun 26, 2022 08:54:52 #
Longshadow wrote:
If it is "eradicated" and no longer exists, why keep it?
If it doesn't exist and will never be a threat again, why study it?
Keeping it only provides a possibility of resurgence, if it gets loose.
Maybe it hasn't really been "eradicated", but simply extremely rare now,
and it still exists.
Eradicated, in what manner of definition....
Who knows what else lives in the sewer systems.
If it doesn't exist and will never be a threat again, why study it?
Keeping it only provides a possibility of resurgence, if it gets loose.
Maybe it hasn't really been "eradicated", but simply extremely rare now,
and it still exists.
Eradicated, in what manner of definition....
Who knows what else lives in the sewer systems.
Right. I'm all for getting rid of harmful viruses and bacteria. I hate to think what deadly things are hiding in various government labs, with some people anxious to see how they would work. How much would terrorists pay for a vial of that stuff?
Jun 26, 2022 09:00:40 #
jerryc41 wrote:
Right. I'm all for getting rid of harmful viruses and bacteria. I hate to think what deadly things are hiding in various government labs, with some people anxious to see how they would work. How much would terrorists pay for a vial of that stuff?
Scary thought!
Jun 26, 2022 09:01:58 #
One of my best photo spots for birds is an effluvia basin of 8 small lakes here in Gilbert, Phoenix area, AZ. Fed from a nearby sewer plant; the lakes are designed to percolate water back into the ground. It is pure from the plant, runs continuously into the shallow lakes, keeping our shore birds fooled into thinking they aren't in the desert. Pinky, one of our favorite two year residents, is Pinky, our contented resident Roseate Spoonbill, a thousand miles from Gulf of Mexico, its proper family home.
Jun 26, 2022 09:11:32 #
jerryc41 wrote:
Right. I'm all for getting rid of harmful viruses and bacteria. I hate to think what deadly things are hiding in various government labs, with some people anxious to see how they would work. How much would terrorists pay for a vial of that stuff?
Bubonic plague still exists in various animals in the world, even in the Western US.
(Article in NatGeo. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/why-plague-still-afflicts-us-wildlife?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20220626animals-plaguewildlife&linkId=170677042&fbclid=IwAR3NIH4WHxlg-5H-BLiw_ke9m5DdkVhr79iukK7d1yUHvFoDKXb7O6jIgGw)
Jun 26, 2022 09:43:18 #
jerryc41 wrote:
Right. I'm all for getting rid of harmful viruses and bacteria. I hate to think what deadly things are hiding in various government labs, with some people anxious to see how they would work. How much would terrorists pay for a vial of that stuff?
Jun 26, 2022 09:59:24 #
Longshadow wrote:
If it is "eradicated" and no longer exists, why keep it?
If it doesn't exist and will never be a threat again, why study it?
Keeping it only provides a possibility of resurgence, if it gets loose.
Maybe it hasn't really been "eradicated", but simply extremely rare now,
and it still exists.
Eradicated, in what manner of definition....
Who knows what else lives in the sewer systems.
If it doesn't exist and will never be a threat again, why study it?
Keeping it only provides a possibility of resurgence, if it gets loose.
Maybe it hasn't really been "eradicated", but simply extremely rare now,
and it still exists.
Eradicated, in what manner of definition....
Who knows what else lives in the sewer systems.
When I worked in utilities you did not think about what was in the sewer system when you put the raincoats on to repair a force main under pressure and it was raining yellow. Lots of boneless brown trout swimming around also to keep you amused.... Ah, the good old days.... And then it was all recycled and fed back to your lawn and irrigation system...
Jun 26, 2022 10:04:54 #
MrBob wrote:
When I worked in utilities you did not think about what was in the sewer system when you put the raincoats on to repair a force main under pressure and it was raining yellow. Lots of boneless brown trout swimming around also to keep you amused.... Ah, the good old days.... And then it was all recycled and fed back to your lawn and irrigation system...
Jun 26, 2022 10:20:39 #
This is the question the medical researchers pose to justify keeping a dangerous virus alive: "why study it?"
They assume they cannot know enough now to predict no value in the future for beneficial research.
They assume they cannot know enough now to predict no value in the future for beneficial research.
Longshadow wrote:
If it is "eradicated" and no longer exists, why keep it?
If it doesn't exist and will never be a threat again, why study it?
Keeping it only provides a possibility of resurgence, if it gets loose.
Maybe it hasn't really been "eradicated", but simply extremely rare now,
and it still exists.
Eradicated, in what manner of definition....
Who knows what else lives in the sewer systems.
If it doesn't exist and will never be a threat again, why study it?
Keeping it only provides a possibility of resurgence, if it gets loose.
Maybe it hasn't really been "eradicated", but simply extremely rare now,
and it still exists.
Eradicated, in what manner of definition....
Who knows what else lives in the sewer systems.
Jun 26, 2022 10:58:57 #
Longshadow wrote:
Bubonic plague still exists in various animals in the world, even in the Western US.
(Article in NatGeo. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/why-plague-still-afflicts-us-wildlife?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20220626animals-plaguewildlife&linkId=170677042&fbclid=IwAR3NIH4WHxlg-5H-BLiw_ke9m5DdkVhr79iukK7d1yUHvFoDKXb7O6jIgGw)
(Article in NatGeo. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/why-plague-still-afflicts-us-wildlife?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20220626animals-plaguewildlife&linkId=170677042&fbclid=IwAR3NIH4WHxlg-5H-BLiw_ke9m5DdkVhr79iukK7d1yUHvFoDKXb7O6jIgGw)
Yes, unfortunately.
Jun 26, 2022 11:48:07 #
anotherview wrote:
This is the question the medical researchers pose to justify keeping a dangerous virus alive: "why study it?"
They assume they cannot know enough now to predict no value in the future for beneficial research.
They assume they cannot know enough now to predict no value in the future for beneficial research.
They don't have enough information about it yet?
So how long does it need to be studied?
Do they take a sabbatical then start again, or wait for fresh minds? ad infinitum?
Jun 26, 2022 12:28:58 #
Longshadow wrote:
They don't have enough information about it yet?
So how long does it need to be studied?
So how long does it need to be studied?
Weaponizing a virus takes a long time. And then, they try to make it even worse.
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